Jan 19 2011, 21h20

Macy Gray wrote: I'm booked for 2 shows in TelAviv. I'm getting alot of letters from activists urging/begging me to boycott by NOT performing in protest of Apartheid against the Palestinians. What the Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians is disgusting, but I wana go. I gotta lotta fans there I dont want to cancel on and I dont know how my NOT going changes anything. What do you think? Stay or go?

Macy Gray is not aware to those facts:
1. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east.
2. Israel has a large Arab population which has more human and civil rights than in any other country in the middle east.

Please look up the definition of apartheid. To call what Israelis do to Palestinians 'apartheid' is not only a false statement, but a slap in the face to people who have actually suffered under apartheid... So please, don't compare this to what happend in south africa, where black and white couldn't be in the same place. In Jerusalem jewish and arabs are toghether all the time.

And what about us?
For more then 8 years Qassam rockets fell on Israel.
Our soldier Gilad Shalit was captured by Hamas and has not received assistance from the Red Cross and does not get visits from his family for more than 4 years!
While terrorists who were caught by us, receive assistance from the Red Cross and receive visits from their family! those things also mind Macy?
Palastinians suffer, we also suffer, it's called 'war', boycotting won't solve it.


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  • ectomorfo

    Israel a democracy?!! Who are you kidding?!! * a democracy covering parts of a foreign territory, the West Bank, in which one ethnic/religious group – the Jewish settlers – has been given the right to vote while another – the Palestinians – has not? * a democracy where the Government was put in power by illegal settlers living outside the internationally recognised borders of Israel? * a democracy that has transferred control over 13% of its sovereign territory (and a large proportion of its inhabited land) to an external organisation, the Jewish National Fund, which prevents a significant proportion of Israel’s citizens – the 20% who are Palestinian – from having access to that land based on ethnic/religious criteria? * a democracy that historically gerrymandered its electoral constituency by expelling most of the indigenous population outside its borders – the Palestinian refugees – to ensure a Jewish majority? * a democracy that has continued to gerrymander its voting base by giving one ethnic group - Jews around the world - an automatic right to become citizens while denying that same right to another ethnic group - Palestinian Arabs? * a democracy that has consistently ensured that one set of parties, the Palestinian and anti-Zionist ones, has been excluded from government? The simple truth is that Israel is *not* a democracy by any reasonable definition. And it never has been.

    Jan 19 2011, 22h57
  • loomia

    Israel's definitely a democracy, just one with many problems and issues. I could easily answer each one of those statements (especially the last two...). I could also tell quite a few things back at you, since you live in the UK. But I don't see what's the point in that. I don't want to fight; I want to discuss, hear opinions, solve- and it doesn't seem like a possibilty with you.

    Jan 20 2011, 15h03
  • ectomorfo

    I'd genuinely be interested to hear what you have to say on any of the above statements and, in retrospect, I'm sorry if my intro appeared unnecessarily provocative. As regards the UK, I might well agree with what you'd say - I'm certainly not known for holding back in my criticism of British Government policy. I've noticed you argue other points elsewhere and, although I may not agree with them, I respect the fact that they're reasoned and that you say you wish to hear other opinions. Sadly, the same doesn't apply to many of the opinions being voiced by others, some shockingly racist, on that Macy Gray FB thread.

    Jan 20 2011, 21h17
  • loomia

    :) ! 1. "Law of Return" gives Jews, those of Jewish ancestry, and their spouses the right to migrate and to settle in Israel and gain citizenship. It's not a discrimination; any none-jew who wants to settle in Israel can do it in the regular way. It's an affirmative action. There was a need to make sure jews have where to go after the holocaust. 2. It not fair to say that Israel has consistently ensured that one set of parties, the Palestinian and anti-Zionist ones, has been excluded from government. Good example: In fact, the votes threshold in Israel is extremely low- to make sure everyone gets a voice. This is the true reason why the government is a mess, and can't hardly make decisions. I think you're confusing a bit between palastinians and arab Israelis. The arab Israelis have the right to be unpleased, because we do try to make sure this country has a jewish character, and I can't tell you I think it's fair. Still, they are a part of this country. The palastinians aren't... we can make them a part of Israel if they'd like and then they'll have the right to vote (just like we did with the arabs in Jerusalem, even though they seem to have no interest in using this right). The other option is to let them have an independent state. We don't have any interest in holding their grounds, and we wish to trade them for peace, just like we did with Egypt. That is the conflict...

    Jan 21 2011, 9h40
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