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WhyAmISoTired
So I just jumped on this site for the first time in ages today and saw that you are listening to Sleigh Bells...awesome!
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leechoflife
wow you listen to Einsturzende Neubauten! which album do you think is the best to start with?
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leechoflife
for...omg, 9 years. I badly want to learn to play guitar but I don't have time and, ya know, I don't even have a guitar lol
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leechoflife
Yeah I do :P I play piano and I've even done some Muse, Radiohead and The Mars Volta covers XD
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leechoflife
well not really. I even left Muse out of my playlist. and yeah, our discussion was interesting)
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aethernaut
Yeap. Pretty sure. Regarding DIJ albums, I prefer their The World That Summer (1986) and Brown Book (1987) period, but their newer stuff are good as well. Actually even the absolutely worst stuff that Douglas has produced are light years ahead of what his imitators have done.
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theHEADbakery
High compatibility! You may enjoy what's in the mixing bowl at my internet radio station "The HEAD Bakery" http://www.live365.com/stations/theheadbaker
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leechoflife
RBS is beautiful, hopeless and classical. EIIRP is weird and very electronic. And the lyrics are just opposite. They are two completely different though really good songs. Sorry for typos if you find some)
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leechoflife
11. TSP. It's a furious, heavy, insane song about how religion conquers the humanity. Whereas Black Star is a calm, a bit romantic, soothing song, it's written in major key. TSP sounds nothing like Black Star. 12. I don't think Muse are huge Radiohead fans and they listen to their B-sides. They like Nirvana and Rage Against The Machine much more. 13. Skipped. 14. You know, when I first heard Everything In Its Right Place (live one on Youtube), I really thought Thom was going to cover RBS. But the similarity ended after the third sound. First, "Everything" sounds much more electronic and ambient, whereas RBS is pretty classical, with a real piano and clearly audible pure rock basses and drums. Second, EIIRP is based on tree chords (A-G-F-G-A-G-F-G), which doesn't spoil the song though. RBS sounds pretty much like 14th sonata by Beethoven. It has much more complicated chord structure (Am-E-G-C-Am-E-G-C-F-D-G-E-Am-Fm-G-C) but is written in normal 6/8 while EIIRP with 10/8 sounds weird.
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leechoflife
5. SS. Yeah, Electioneering is probably the heaviest RH song, but it still doesn't sound like SS at all. Even the guitars are different, the lyrics are about different things, the MUSIC in these songs has just nothing in common. And are you going to say Dream Theater, who almost covered Stockholm Syndrome, sound like Radiohead? It's kinda funny. 8. Hysteria. Bones is not the best song to compare with Hysteria, they are even written in different keys (Hysteria - minor, Bones - major). And the bass line in Hysteria is just pure gold, it's unique and Radiohead've never even approached it. 9. Blackout. Well, even you admit it's a weak comparison with MPS. I'm not deaf, I have a kind of perfect pitch. And I can say violin (Blackout) and accordion (MPS) are different instruments, even if we don't talk about different sounds, chords and lyrics. 10. Skipped, I've already said what I wanted about vocals)
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leechoflife
and again about Muse-Radiohead comparison. No, I did not ignore anything you've said. And if you want me to prove it, let's start. 2. Apocalypse Please. Yeah, it's epic, and it does not sound like Radiohead at all, even you don't deny it) Cheesy lyrics? Isn't "Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon" thousand times more cheesy? 3. TIRO. You sound really like the guy who said "Thom Yorke invented falsetto" (wait, wasn't that just you? XD) The bass line is one which Radiohead have never made and will never seem to make. Though it being not the best song of the album, it's not as boring as any song from The Bends. 4. SFA. It has only one thing in common with HTDC - they are both number 4 in the albums. Time signatures, chords, emotions, used instruments... everything is different. By the way, yeah, time signature does change the whole song - look how different Motning Bell (10/8) and Morning Bell Amnesiac (4/4) are.
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leechoflife
well, it's not exactly what I meant. Musical education doesn't make your musical taste ideal. Unfortunately. But it definitely does help you separate music from crap, pure emotions from soppy romanticism. I know how difficult it is to write a song with an odd musical signature, and I respect Radiohead and progressive rock bands for their compositions in 7/4 and 10/8. And people who know something about musical theory just can't make sellout music that lacks emotion. To make music you must know it. To appreciate it you don't have to know it, but it would be really useful.
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leechoflife
and the chords - they are just different in the songs you've compared. I'm not gonna analyse it all profoundly - I'm afraid you'll be bored, but if you insist I will - it's not difficult for me, I can clearly hear it.
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leechoflife
your comparisons have shown you know nothing in the sense of musical theory. I do, and I find it a kind of stupid when you compare, for example, Ruled by Secrecy and Everything In Its Right Place cause of the first three sounds when even the time signatures are completely different (6/8 & 10/8). Your comparison "Blackout=MPS" is just hilarious, nothing more. You try to justify the journalist who once said "Muse=RH copycats" but you fail. It's just true, no offense ;)
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leechoflife
I won't bother denying all you've said song by song just because I have stuff to do and I'll be bored if I do that. I'll just say the parallels you've tried to draw are so fucking forced and meaningless - eg FIRST THREE SOUNDS (!) in common between RBS and EIIRP. That's what I've been waiting for. A Radiohead fan confesses to his musical ignorance. Check out my journal entry if you feel like that, it's pretty much about you ;)
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leechoflife
"What a disgusting Radiohead rip-off." Okay, could you tell me exactly what sound what song of Absolution sounds like Radiohead? I bet you won't give a reasonable answer.
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Snutskallar
Wow, Koldblooded's quote is ... special. I weep for the state of the English language, really, I do.
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AppleKabukiSuri
You may also be interested in the 2 CD retrospective NWW album Livin' Fear of James Last, in which you can hear all the different styles NWW cover and gain a general idea of where you'd like to go next.
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AxemRangers
good starting points for NWW are Rock'n'Roll Station (industrial atmospheres and trippy, low-key beats), Who Can I Turn To Stereo (absurdist concept ablum, covers a lot of ground musically and is progressively oriented), and An Awkward Pause (very tense, schitzophrenic industrial textures, gets somewhat harsh at times, also features a krautrock jam).
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