Let's talk 2008 Presidential Politics... through interpretive songs!

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Jan 22 2008, 8h14

I'm really into the race for the U.S. Presidential Election of 2008. I've been following the race very closely for the past few months and have been thouroughly analyzing all of the candidates. I will be voting in the election, though I am far away from deciding who I will be casting my vote for. I can tell you now that I'm not a far left liberal or a far right conservative, I'm somewhere in the middle, with a slight tilt to the right. I watch The O'Reilly Factor every night, so that should give you an idea of where I am on the political spectrum (The Factor does not, as some believe, support radical conservatism.)

Anyway, my idea here is to choose a song to represent each candidate in the light that I see them in. I'm not trying to bash any of the presidential hopefuls here, though maybe you can interpret who I like and don't like. I will say that I'm basing my judgement/decisions more on who I feel could lead the country, rather than whether or not I agree with them on every single issue. Each candidate's song will have a section of the lyrics I believe is relevant to them (Candidates are listed in alphabetical order). And please, feel free to openly discuss any and all issues here! This can be a musical or political topic, whichever you prefer.

*Technical note: I told myself that I can't use Megadeth or Rage Against the Machine songs because it would be too easy.







Anthem of the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election

Won't Get Fooled Again by The Who

"I tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again"


I see this as a fitting song for the 2008 Election simply because it's one of the greatest political songs ever written and because many Americans feel they were misguided by President Bush and his administration. I'm not a Bush hater, but I do think his presidency could have gone a lot smoother and accomplished a lot more. The lyrics of "Tip my hat..." and "Take a bow..." signify the change that Americans are hoping for, and the "Pray... we don't get fooled again" represents America's hope that our next leader will be more straightforward about his or her plans instead of jumping to conclusions on bad information. "Won't Get Fooled Again" is all about a society trying to change itself by abolishing the old regime, which is exactly where America finds itself today.









Hillary Clinton, Democrat

Song: Don't Look Back by Boston

"Don't look back
A new day is breakin'
It's been too long since I felt this way
I don't mind where I get taken
The road is callin'
Today is the day"


Hillary, moreso than any other candidate, has things in her past that can be held against her. There's the whole Monica Lewinski scandal with her husband, the fact that she voted for authorization of the Iraq War, her record as a New York Senator. Add in the fact that she's the first woman to ever run for president and her opponents have a lot of ammo to fire at her. The whole "don't look back, move forward" philosophy of this classic Boston song fits Hillary perfect; she knows that moving forward, bringing about change and not worrying about the past is the only way to win over the American people.

I believe Hillary would be a good president. I can see her and Bill really getting the country back on track and having a good presidency. But there's just a certain something that I don't trust about her. When she smiles and laughs, it looks very choreographed and turns me away a little bit. I also don't like her soft stand on immigration reform and the way she plays the "I'm just a girl playing with the boys" card some times. But if she were to make history as the first woman president, I wouldn't really complain all that much, unless she gave me a reason to.









John Edwards, Democrat

Song: You Haven't Done Nothin' by Stevie Wonder

"We are amazed but not amused
By all the things you say that you'll do
Though much concerned but not involved
With decisions that are made by you

But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
You haven't done nothin'!"


I'm not a big fan of John Edwards. Stevie's song about a phony politician came rather easily to me when thinking about Edwards and his campaign. The line "Sick and tired of hearing your song... about how you are gonna change right from wrong" rings so true with Edwards and his whole Two-Americas concept. Edwards wants a class war and hopes to do it by playing the Rich-vs-Poor card, which I'm not a fan of at all. He also tells absolute lies about veterans returning home from Iraq, claiming they sleep under bridges because of America's downward economy (it's actually because of their mental illnesses and refusal to face their problems). Veterans' problems have nothing to with the economy, Edwards is just conjuring up lies to help his whole Two-Americas thing get more supporters.

I never really see Edwards getting a lot of input from people. He doesn't seem like the approachable type. "If you really want to our hear our views, you haven't done nothin'!" Seriously, what has John Edwards ever done to prove he's worthy of being president other than stand next to John Kerry and look pretty?









Rudy Giuliani, Republican

Song: United by Judas Priest

"United, united
United we stand
United we never shall fall

United, united
United we stand
United we stand one and all"


Rudy Giuliani, the great mayor of New York City who held the city together through the terrorist attacks of 9/11. I like Rudy, he's a liberal Republican who's not afraid to erase the lines of his own political party to fit his own beliefs. I believe that if Rudy were to become president, his theme would center around the whole country being "United", thus the selection of the Judas Priest song. Can't you just hear that chanting chorus being played at a Rudy Giuliani rally?

The only thing I don't like about Rudy so far is his pulling of his campaign in the minor states like Michigan and South Carolina. It's as though he doesn't care about a state if it can't get him a lot of electoral votes. It's a bit elitist, if you ask me. But his strategy is to put all his eggs into Florida's basket before the Super Tuesday primaries, which I can't really argue with. Rudy's had some questionable character issues (his messy divorce, no contact with his children) which may or may not effect his ability to be president, but I think are important nonetheles. There's not enough about Rudy to pull me to his side, but I like him. Just probably won't be voting for him.









Mike Huckabee, Republican

Song: Running on Faith by Eric Clapton

"Then we'd go running on faith
All of our dreams would come true
And our world will be right
When love comes over me and you"


Mike Huckabee is probably my front runner right now. He's the most religiously open of all the candidates, though that has nothing to do with my liking of him (I'm not religious at all). Huckabee is a simple speaker, he doesn't do all the doublespeak and talking in circles like a lot of politicians do. He gives straightforward answers, which I respect a lot. He has a great sense of humor, too, as evidenced by his multiple appearances on The Colbert Report, a political satire show that usually pokes fun of the Republican Party. He also has strong willpower; he lost something like 200 pounds before the election so as to better himself for the trials of the campaign trail. It's little things like that that put Huckabee in my favor.

"Then we'd go running on faith... and our world will be right". As soon as I read those lyrics from Clapton, I knew this was Huckabee's song. It's a mellow blues song with simple guitar licks that match Huckabee perfectly. He's a very simple man who doesn't mudsling or take shots at his opponents. I get the sense that I can really trust him to run the country. He's got a warm smile and a hearty laugh, the two cheesiest things a president can have. But that's why I like him. He is forthright about his faith, but doesn't condemn people of other or no beliefs. Plus, Chuck Norris is endorsing him. And I've seen him rock the bass guitar numerous times on live television. Yes, Mick Huckabee jams on the bass guitar! See why I love this guy?









Duncan Hunter, Republican

Song: If You Want Blood (You've Got It) by AC/DC

"Feeling like a Christian
Locked in a cage
Thrown to the lions
On a second's rage

If you want blood, you got it
If you want blood, you got it
Blood on the streets, blood on the rocks
Blood in the gutter, every last drop
You want blood, you got it"


Duncan Hunter and I don't get along. He's a warhawk, in every sense of the word. I know he recently dropped out of the race, but he's one of the more interesting cases so I thought I would include him here. All the repititions of the word "blood" in this AC/DC song serve Hunter well; he's pro-war and would probably stop at nothing to kill as many people in the Middle East as possible. He's the farthest right out of all the presidential hopefuls, and I'm relieved to see he's dropped out of the race.

He's anti-immigration as well. Not anti-illegal immigration, he just doesn't like foreigners period. If elected to office, I have no doubts that he would just bomb the crap out of the Middle East and erase all the progress that the U.S. has made over there. "Feeling like a Christian, locked in a cage" hardly describs Duncan Hunter, but he would have that effect on many people in the U.S. (particulary the far right loons who would actually vote for him and regret it when he started World War III). Like I said, he and I see the world through completely different eyes, and I'm glad he has ended his campaign due to consistently low standings in the polls.









Dennis Kucinich, Democrat

Song: I'm Going Slightly Mad by Queen

"I'm one card short of a full deck...
One wave short of a shipwreck
I'm really out to sea...
I think I'm a banana tree
Oh dear

I'm going slightly mad
I'm going slightly mad
It finally happened
It finally happened"


Dennis Kucinich claims to have seen a UFO landing on Shirley MacLaine's house. That statement alone makes me both love Kucinich and decide not to vote for him. Look, the guy really is "one card short of a full deck", I mean he's just a little loopy. His entire demeanor is a bit canny, like he doesn't really know what he's doing. Like he's "slightly mad". I can just picture Kucinich dancing around his bedroom to Queen's "I'm Going Slightly Mad", smiling into his mirror and lip-synching the words.

I'm glad we have a guy like Kucinich in the race, but I'd be very uneasy if he were to be in charge of the country. He'd do much better serving as a vice president for a more qualified person like Hillary. That'd be a catchy ticket: "Hillary/Kucinich '08". I do give him credit, though, for being the Democratic candidate who's least afraid of going on FOX News. Not many Democrats are "brave" enough to be questioned by FOX anchors multiple times, and I give Kucinich two thumbs up for not holding all of his interviews for one certain media outlet.

Trivial fact: Viggo Mortensen (the guy in my avatar, seen portraying Aragorn from Lord of the Rings) is backing Kucinich for president. Just an odd piece of information.









John McCain, Republican

Song: Duck and Run by 3 Doors Down

"This world can turn me down
But I won't turn away
And I wont duck and run
'Cause I'm not built that way"


John McCain was hellaciously tortured during the Vietnam War. To say that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to war and the chess match aspect of it is really ignorant. The guy is as tough as they come. "I won't duck and run, 'Cause I'm not built that way" is the line that really defines McCain. 3 Doors Down is the perfect band to attach to a war-tested veteran, seeing as they support the military and are constantly providing for the troops (for which I commend 3 Doors Down, they're cool in my book).

I don't know much about McCain. I respect him very much, and I believe he would do very well as the president. He would bring some much-needed credibility back to the Republican party as well as some much-needed relief in the Middle East. I would feel very comfortable casting my vote for McCain, though I'm not sure if I'm going to yet or not.









Barack Obama, Democrat

Song: Waiting on the World to Change by John Mayer

"Now we see everything that's going wrong
With the world and those who lead it
We just feel like we don't have the means
To rise above and beat it"


John Mayer's song works for Obama in so many ways. The first two lines of the part I quoted speak to him wanting to take power away from the Republicans so they don't screw anything else up. The next two lines, however, can be a voice for both Democrats and for African-Americans, who may both feel a little powerless in this whole mess. That's the thing I like the most about Obama; he gives people hope that real change is coming. He's a great speaker, probably the most articulate of all the presidential candidates. And his family man image combined with his racial crossover appeal makes him a very viable candidate. I think if terrorists were to see Obama get elected president, they might have second thoughts about the U.S.

The only thing I'm not too crazy about with Obama is his softness. Sure, he'll go and dance on the Ellen DeGeneres Show and he'll go ham it up with the ladies on The View, but he has consciously avoided anybody that won't throw him softballs in an interview. Now, he has come across well in live debates, but he isn't touching on all areas of the media and is missing out on a few markets. I also think he needs to ease off the race card a little bit. He's of mixed race, not black and not white. I just don't want him flopping back and forth over whether he's black or mixed or whatever... just run the race. Nevertheless, Obama is probably my #2 guy right now (behind Huckabee) and I wouldn't mind at all if he got into the White House. He would be a great leader and a very strong symbol of the change taking place in America's politics.









Ron Paul, Republican

Song: The Pretender by Foo Fighters

"What if I say I'm not like the others?
What if I say I'm not just another one of your plays?
You're the pretender
What if I say that I'll never surrender?"


Ron Paul is the enigma of this entire election. He's listed as a Republican, but he is steadfastly objected to military action in Iraq and he wants to eliminate a bunch of high-operation government agencies (most notably the CIA). Ron Paul is pretty much the guy to go for if you want radical change. I didn't choose this Foo Fighters song because I think Ron Paul is a pretender, but because it's a politically-charged song that bears a strong resemblance to Ron Paul's message. "What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of your plays?" sounds like something Ron Paul would say in a live debate. He's very much on his own trail, marching to the beat of his own drum.

I loved Ron Paul when I first heard about him. He used to be my #1 guy. But I've started to get a little fearful of him. He's like Dennis Kucinich, only a bit more dangerous. Put it this way: he would either make a great president, or a terrible president. And that uncertainty is what his driven me away from him a little bit. I still like him though. I like that he's not afraid to have a different opinion and that he stands strong in his beliefs. I definitely give him credit for embracing his role as the oddball candidate. I just don't know if I can fully trust him taking the reigns of my country.









Mitt Romney, Republican

Song: Same Old Song and Dance by Aerosmith

"It's the same old story
Same old song and dance, my friend"


I'm not too big on Romney. I don't think he has real grip on what the nation truly needs right now. He's the stock candidate in my opinion, the kind of guy who runs every year and is always in the race for a while before people just lose interest. Is he the worst candidate ever? No. But is he the best this year, even in his own party? No. "It's the same old story, same old song and dance."









Fred Thompson, Republican

Song: The Thing That Should Not Be by Metallica

"Fearless wretch
Insanity
He watches
Lurking beneath the sea
Great old one
Forbidden site

Not dead which eternal lie
Stranger eons death may die"


I'm pretty sure Fred Thompson is actually just a statue that has risen from the crypt and speaks in monotone. Look, I don't mean to pick on the guy but he is just this stiff, motionless guy who drones on about lord knows what. He's about twenty years late on running for president. Had he ran in 1988 (back when he was still alive), he might have had a better shot. But Fred Thompson is slogging through his campaign like "The Thing That Should Not Be" slogs its way through its six minute run.

In all honesty, Thompson is just a little too far right for me. He's not as bad as Duncan Hunter, and I think he has good intentions, but he's just not right for America at this point in time. I expect he will be dropping out of the race in a few weeks, as he is having a hard time rallying any new supporters. "Not dead which eternal lie..."

Comentários

  • TheFlyingTeapot

    Now this was a really cool idea. Although I'm not American, my dad lives there and I have also been following the Campaigns pretty closeley. I don't really agree with all of your Choices (I think I'm a bit further to the Right than you are). But this journal was a really entertaining read. I think I'm going to steal this idea from you... if that's ok?

    Jan 22 2008, 14h44
  • scottwallace01

    Nice journal. #1: I once thought of doing a journal like this, but didn't spend the time thinking it through. I did arrive at one conclusion. Hillary's theme song should be Pink Floyd's Welcome to the Machine. Either that or Crazy Bitch (not for the title...for the lyrics...because it would be hilarious to see her come out to fuck so good I'm on top of it). #2: I think you've really misunderstood the message of Edwards. His Two Americas theme isn't a big series of this causes this, which causes that. Rather, it's a number of what he sees as social injustices, which often have something to do with poverty. He's not trying to start a class war at all. He's trying to make it clear that, even if your life is 100% perfect, there are those in this country who suffer from poverty, lack of health care, hunger, homelessness...the list goes on. In particular, he highlighted the problem of homeless vets. His stats came directly from the US Department of Veterans Affairs (the VA: http://www1.va.gov/homeless/page.cfm?pg=1), despite O'Reilly's claims that he's wrong. Anyway, he's now pretty much beaten, but I suggest you listen to his message with a fresh ear (i.e. not influenced by Faux News). It's not a class war message. It's a message of inequality and the fact that this country is better than that. #3: I'm personally torn about Giuliani. If elected, would he govern by his ideals or, more likely in my opinion, would he play to the GOP base (i.e. anti-gay legislation, anti-abortion judicial nominees) in the hopes of rallying them to a second term? Perhaps more important is the fact that, like all GOP candidates, except Ron Paul, he wants to stay in Iraq and talks aggressively about Iran, as if it's our manifest destiny to overrun the entire Muslim world. #4: Huckabee is very likable. I appreciate the fact that he views his religion as something having views beyond abortion and homosexuality. For example, his website claims that being a good Christian means being a steward for the environment. I applaud that view. He also wants to radically alter the constitution to bring it up to God's standards, whatever the Hell that means, and that's a frightful proposition. #5: Hunter is gone...what do I care? #6: Kucinich isn't mad. He's honest, even when he should keep his mouth shut. He didn't say he saw a flying saucer of little green men. He says he saw an unidentified flying object. Key word: unidentified. People think this means aliens, but it doesn't. Anyway, I appreciate his honesty, and the fact that his policy positions don't represent what he thinks can be done during an eight year Presidency but, rather, where we should be, end game. As such, his healthcare plan is more aggressive than the others', and generally better, but it would be hacked down considerably before it passed. But, I do appreciate that he knows where we need to be, whether it's conceivable in the short term, or not. #7: I like McCain, even though he was a fool to back this awful war. But, I think to myself, had Bush not played on the racism of South Carolina voters back in 2000, and McCain had been elected President, would we be in Iraq? I think the answer is no. He wouldn't have had the desire to do it, as Bush did, and he wouldn't have had a VP like Cheney, who completely misrepresented pretty much everything so as to make a stronger case for war. I also like that he's a free thinker. His campaign finance reform was a step in the right direction, and the last few months of sucking up to the base have proven that the base doesn't like him anyway, so he's back on the ol' Straight Talk Express. If I had to pick a Republican, it would be McCain. I'm very sad he lost to Bush in 2000, as I think the world would be a different place, right now. #8: Obama playing the race card is a myth. It didn't happen. Advocates for him may have done so. The Clintons have surely done so, in an effort to reduce him to the black candidate, which is a wholly untenable position. But he hasn't done it. #9: Ron Paul is awesome. Watch this clip of him, back in '88. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo #10: My wife and I are really split on Mitt Romney. I say he's like a game-show host. She says he's like a used car salesman. Damn, this country is so divided! #11: Best line of this journal: Had he ran in 1988 (back when he was still alive), he might have had a better shot. Thompson's candidacy reminds me of that of Wes Clark, back in 2004. Everyone thought it was a good idea. Everyone told him to do it. He did it. Everyone realized that they were wrong. When he was planning to get into the race, and people were talking about introducing a true conservative to the process, I kept thinking what about Huckabee? I'm not at all surprised to see that Huckabee completely stole his thunder. It just took the social conservatives a while to pick their guy.

    Jan 22 2008, 17h11
  • MetallicaACDC

    [quote]#2: I think you've really misunderstood the message of Edwards. His Two Americas theme isn't a big series of this causes this, which causes that. Rather, it's a number of what he sees as social injustices, which often have something to do with poverty. He's not trying to start a class war at all. He's trying to make it clear that, even if your life is 100% perfect, there are those in this country who suffer from poverty, lack of health care, hunger, homelessness...the list goes on. In particular, he highlighted the problem of homeless vets. His stats came directly from the US Department of Veterans Affairs (the VA: http://www1.va.gov/homeless/page.cfm?pg=1), despite O'Reilly's claims that he's wrong. Anyway, he's now pretty much beaten, but I suggest you listen to his message with a fresh ear (i.e. not influenced by Faux News). It's not a class war message. It's a message of inequality and the fact that this country is better than that.[/quote] I know his Two Americas thing isn't a cause-and-effect deal, but I just don't like the strings he's pulling with the whole thing. Whether he's aware of it or not, he's actually dividing the country, not bringing it together. Bill O'Reilly spent an entire week researching the homeless vets statistics, just be sure he had them straight and in order before he called Edwards on it. I trust O'Reilly, I don't trust Edwards. It's as simple as that. [quote]#6: Kucinich isn't mad. He's honest, even when he should keep his mouth shut. He didn't say he saw a flying saucer of little green men. He says he saw an unidentified flying object. Key word: unidentified. People think this means aliens, but it doesn't.[/quote] A triangular craft, silent and hovering... and you heard directions in your mind. That's Tim Russert quoting Shirley MacLaine from her book where she talks about Kucinich talking to her about the UFO (if you can follow that, lol). Here's the YouTube link if you wanna watch it. Kucinich UFO [quote]#8: Obama playing the race card is a myth. It didn't happen. Advocates for him may have done so. The Clintons have surely done so, in an effort to reduce him to the black candidate, which is a wholly untenable position. But he hasn't done it.[/quote] I'm not saying he goes back and forth between I'm black and I'm mixed on a daily basis, but his public image suggests it. He'll be seen talking to a mostly-white crowd at a rally one night, and the next night he'll be seen being endorsed by Jeremiah Wright, an alleged black supremacist in the United Trinity Church of Christ. When I say ease off the race card, I'm not accusing him of doing anything wrong. I just think he needs to be more aware of the people that are becoming associated with him and how they are effecting his public image. The last thing he needs to do is give more ammo to the Clintons to fire back at him. [quote]#9: Ron Paul is awesome. Watch this clip of him, back in '88. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo[/quote] Man, I can still hear the sizzle from that one! See, that's why I like Ron Paul, he's a different kind of candidate. But again, I just don't know if I can trust him. [quote]#10: My wife and I are really split on Mitt Romney. I say he's like a game-show host. She says he's like a used car salesman. Damn, this country is so divided![/quote] You nailed it! Mitt Romney is like a gameshow host! Good eveing, ladies and gentleman, and welcome... to my STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS!!! [quote]#11: Best line of this journal: Had he ran in 1988 (back when he was still alive), he might have had a better shot. Thompson's candidacy reminds me of that of Wes Clark, back in 2004. Everyone thought it was a good idea. Everyone told him to do it. He did it. Everyone realized that they were wrong. When he was planning to get into the race, and people were talking about introducing a true conservative to the process, I kept thinking what about Huckabee? I'm not at all surprised to see that Huckabee completely stole his thunder. It just took the social conservatives a while to pick their guy.[/quote] Glad to see you got a kick out of that line! But yeah, the biggest impact Thompson has had in this election is taking away votes from Huckabee. Huckabee might be tied with McCain as the GOP frontrunner right now if not for Thompson taking some of his traditional conservative votes.

    Jan 22 2008, 19h57
  • scottwallace01

    Thompson just dropped out, so that's that. I won't fight you on Kucinich, as I certainly haven't dug deeply into the matter. My only knowledge of it is what he said at one debate, but all Russert asks him is whether he saw a UFO...he doesn't get into the other, much weirder stuff. As for your Obama comments, I think that has more to do with him being a Democrat than with his race. After all, most people in this country are white, but most blacks vote Democrat. You could find similar comparisons for the other Democratic candidates. Also, the Clintons have been campaigning for the nation-wide black vote since 1991. He has a lot of ground to make up with a group that was, initially, overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton. Regarding Edwards, I suppose whether you find his message divisive is a matter of opinion. I've noted (on other forums) that he and Obama are similar in message, but he attacks if from a negative angle of what's bad, while Obama attacks if from a positive angle of what could be. Not a black and white line (damnit...no racial pun intended), but it's there. If that's divisive, then so be it. But the point remains that the status quo has led us to this point, with all these problems, and to fix problems you have to recognize that they exist. Beats campaigning on fear, as a few seem to be doing. Also, maybe I don't know what you're talking about with regard to the vets. I heard Edwards speak of them being homeless, etc., which when challenged by O'Reilly he backed up with US gov. stats. I'm not sure what truth O'Reilly could dig up to combat that. Perhaps he makes a distinction between living under bridges versus in alleys or on street corners, but that's nitpicking at best, and is really missing the heart of the message. IF you don't trust Edwards, then I suppose that speaks to the ability of his campaign to get the message across. How you reach the conclusion that you even CAN trust O'Reilly is beyond me.

    Jan 22 2008, 20h47
  • MetallicaACDC

    The oddest thing about the whole Obama/race issue is that Hillary actually has A LOT of supporters amongst the older African-American voters. I just don't want it to appear as though Obama is getting black votes simply because he's part-black. I think that could turn away a lot of voters that he needs. And again, I like Obama, I'm not trying to bash him at all here. Here's the deal between O'Reilly and Edwards: they both acknowledge that there [i]are[/i] homeless veterans living under bridges and on the streets. They both agree about the VA's statistics. But Edwards says it's because of America's economy that the vets are homeless, which implies that it's somehow America's fault that its veterans are homeless. Well, O'Reilly couldn't believe that. He and his staff spent an entire week researching and talking to the VA and military psychologists and what they found was that the vets are homeless not because of the country's economy, but because they come back from the Middle East and have serious psychological problems (alcoholism and drug addiction among the major ones) that they refuse to face, thus leading them to the point where they lose everything and become homeless. Edwards is trying to pull sympathy for his cause by saying the economy is hurting the vets, which is simply not true. The economy (the Rich vs. Poor concept) has no connection whatsoever to homeless vets, but Edwards is trying to spin the statistics in his favor to garner votes. It's that kid of dishonesty that I don't like, and that's why I'm not too big on John Edwards.

    Jan 22 2008, 21h13
  • scottwallace01

    I know you're not bashing Obama. Just trying to clarify the issue, there. OK...back into the meat of this O'Reilly/Edwards issue. [b]#1:[/b] Veterans have serious psychological issues are: a) those issues are at least partially caused, in many cases, by the wars we send them to b) because of a, these problems are the government's responsibility. [b]#2:[/b] The fact that many aren't getting what they deserve can have two root causes a.) The programs to take care of vet are underfunded b.) The government is neglectful, despite adequate funding. c.) If a lack of funds exists, then it is an economic issue, but either way this gets to the heart of Edwards's argument, which is that we treat people as one of two groups, the privileged and the unprivileged. [b]#3: [/b] The military draws disproportionately from poor America. So, again, it ties in directly with Edwards's theme. In sum, these are (generally) poorer Americans, who make an incredible sacrifice, and come home to neglect. We all saw the conditions at the hospitals in DC. Utter neglect. And those were the guys getting treatment! This is an issue that everyone should be able to agree on. No matter what you think of this war, these soldiers and all before them deserve the best we can offer. Edwards's theme is that America has done a poor job of making life better for a lot of people. This fits right in, if you ask me.

    Jan 22 2008, 21h38
  • jcjohnson63

    cream-politician. nuff said.

    Jan 22 2008, 23h51
  • MetallicaACDC

    [quote]I cannot vote in the election by a few weeks, but I do not pay attention to politics closely for many reasons. One is that it is a bunch of lobbyists. Two is that politics seem to be an incendiary to angering people. I am not interested in heated debates about the next President. People die in other countries over elections and politics. People are unwilling to be open and blindly support their candidate. Religion and politics are two things I keep to myself. I am a history buff, but the present is not for me. Enjoy the race. Vote for the right person. Align songs with them. But I do not want any part of politics, even through the Internet. I like discussing sports, wrestling, music, and fun stuff of that nature, people are irreconcilible with their affirmations. I like the songs and themes, but you should have used Megadeth in addition. A Megadeth song for each character to bring out his or her negative side would have worked wonderfully.[/quote] Talking politcs can be a very fruitful conversation (as evidenced by my back and forth with ScottWallace here). I'm with you when you say that you can't stand talking to people who are blindly devout to a certain political party and aren't open to change. That's why I like to keep my options open, so I can have an interest in Huckabee (Republican) and Obama (Democrat). Politics, when handled correctly, can be on of the finest conversations you've ever had. But if you get some airhead who keeps shouting down your opinion with his own, then yeah, politics suck. You just gotta find rational people to talk about it.

    Jan 23 2008, 4h57
  • MetallicaACDC

    And Scott, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the Edwards/O'Reilly thing.

    Jan 23 2008, 4h59
  • peticsu

    Just wanted to say I agree with you on a lot of things...I am more left leaning but I can see myself going with McCain. I give a lot of credit to Obama for trying to reach across party lines...sadly, I havent seen any republican candidates trying to get votes from the other side, trying to look for similarities. Its always the liberal this democrat that childishness. I think what we dont like about Romney is that hes not in touch with the middle class...heres a guy, who in my opinion, never had to truly prove himself. He always had it made, his dad was the governor of Michigan and ran the car companies so he was born into wealth already. I cant see Romney connecting with the middle class and Evangelicals dont fancy his religion too much. We'll just have to see if Giuliani gets FL. I still have my hopes for Bloomberg, I hope he can get enough signatures in Texas. Id like to see how his religion is treated by both parties.

    Jan 23 2008, 21h04
  • Gibson1976

    Ehh I think Hillary is overrated, sure it would be nice to see a female president, but she would only get in because of her husband... I honestly want to see anybody that is willing to pull the troops out NOW and dares to bring back electric cars.. shame on you Bush

    Jan 24 2008, 2h29
  • scottwallace01

    Agree to disagree? Not today, sir! OK...I've looked into this a fair amount, now. All of this derives from Edwards's Iowa concession speech. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lz6L25hzSQ The relevant comment is at the 7:08 mark. Now, O'Reilly dealt with this comment on three different occasions. [b]January 4th[/b] (the day after the Iowa caucuses) O'Reilly said the following, after playing a clip from Edwards's speech: That was Edwards' concession speech last night. I mean, come on. The only thing sleeping under a bridge is that guy's brain. Ten million illegal alien workers are sending billions of dollars back home, and Edwards is running around saying nobody has any money. Hard to believe. O'Reilly is basing his argument on something faulty. Edwards never once said that veterans are homeless because of economics. He simply said that tonight, 200,000 men and women who wore our uniform proudly and served this country courageously as veterans will go to sleep under bridges and on grates. I'll grant you that a good portion of his Two Americas theme is based on poverty, and certainly issues like healthcare are connected to poverty, but he never once said what O'Reilly claims he said. He's talking of only one thing, which is improving America, whether it's in combating poverty, improving healthcare, or, yes, in helping homeless vets. [b]January 15th[/b] O'Reilly, in talking with a guest, proclaimed that we're still looking for all the veterans sleeping under bridges. When his guest responded that they were, indeed, doing just that, O'Reilly responded They may be out there, but there are not many of them out there, OK? This is a problem. Edwards's statistic of 200,000 homeless vets comes straight from the VA. It doesn't get more official than that. In other words, O'Reilly is 100% wrong. [b]January 17th[/b] After completely failing to have any grasp of the problem, O'Reilly appears to have accepted the number of homeless vets in America. But he can't stand that Edwards is right, so he constructs a counter narative: Certainly there are homeless veterans, but it's not because of the economy. It's mostly because of addiction and mental illness, something politicians can do little about. But if Edwards admits the truth, it takes away the class warfare issue, which is his only issue. This is laughable. First, the one who made this veterans issue about economics is, in fact, O'Reilly. Edwards framed it as one of the many problems facing America and something about which we should strive to do better. Second, Edwards's message isn't one of class warfare. I don't recall seeing him quoting [i]Das Kapital[/i] or talking about a revolution of the proletariat. No, instead he's running for President, on the message of doing better for those who are underprivileged. O'Reilly, on the other hand, runs a show that everyone acknowledges is ridiculously biased, clearly creates or twists facts in a way that is far from responsible journalism, and sexually harasses coworkers and, dare I say, innocent falafel. If you don't like Edwards, that's fine...don't vote for him. But base it on what he says, his positions, and his message, and not O'Reilly's distortion of those. P.S.- Saw that Hunter, your least favorite if I recall, has endorsed Huckabee...your favorite? Just curious if that's affected your opinion.

    Jan 24 2008, 9h11
  • GoMental

    Ha, I wanted to ask you about your thoughts about that election thing anyway. Well, the idea is awesome. Problem is I have no idea what it's all about, as our nice German newspapers seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that Obama and Clinton aren't the only ones. In fact, I knew maybe 4 of the candidates. Anyway, I think I'm a little more lefty than you are, and I really like Obama, from what I've sen on CNN or something. And I don't like Hillary somehow. Don't know. I mean, I have a female leader and it's not such a good thing to have. Prejudice, I know. Hillary's not Merkel, after all. So, that's my totally neutral, almost Switzerland opinion.

    Jan 24 2008, 14h58
  • arjunation

    Bill O' Reilly is an idiot. There are three people I hate: Paris Hilton, Jerry Falwell, and Bill O' Reilly. If you cannot tell, I am not white.

    Jan 24 2008, 21h39
  • scottwallace01

    Falwell's dead. Not that it's wrong of you to have issues with him...what I'm saying is, if you want to, now might be a good time to move on to someone else.

    Jan 25 2008, 4h05
  • MetallicaACDC

    Like I said, Ron Paul used to be my favorite out of all of them. I just don't know if he's completely stable enough and all the way there mentally to lead the country. I think he, like Kucinich (who recently dropped out) would make a good Vice President for someone like Huckabee or McCain. Though Ron Paul is too proud to be anyone's VP, lol.

    Jan 26 2008, 21h16
  • Dreetn

    Great initiative, too bad you've chosen such a shit songs like 'The Pretender'. One voting advice: Yes, we can. Take that as a: - Yes, we can change - Yes, I'm not being naïef against media - Yes, I do read the candidates programs - Yes, I do look forward - Yes, I ...

    Jan 27 2008, 23h10
  • arjunation

    ^^^You probably should not be typing things like that. One of my neighbors was physcoanalyzed a few years ago for a similar comment.

    Fev 4 2008, 13h18
  • hansmoleman1

    Mitt Romney: You Cant Always Get What You Want - The Rolling Stones, due to him wanting to bring obscenity and violence laws back to bring kids out of a so called ocean of filth

    Fev 5 2008, 4h31
  • Gibson1976

    Somethings telling me I think Obama is going to win. Just a little feeling him or Hillary will get it for sure

    Mar 12 2008, 18h56
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