The Mothers of Invention

rottmadgers escreveu:

Also, something like "One Size Fits All" is listed as Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention on the cover.

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thekidwiththefa escreveu:

yeah, me too. but there's lots of other albums that are mothers material like mentioned below (joe's corsage)

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rottmadgers escreveu:

This may be useful for your tags: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mothers_of_Invention. I used this and tagged everything else as Frank Zappa.

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glassbottle escreveu:

electric aunt jemima, goddess of love khaki mape buckwheats frizzle on the stove

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thekidwiththefa escreveu:

uploaded a new image, hope you like it! i just love finding these old mothers photos (i just adore that photo of them in the whiskey-a-go-go in 1966), and photos of them are that much more rare http://www.last.fm/music/The+Mothers+of+Invention/+images/37482375

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thekidwiththefa escreveu:

The original Mothers had far more artistic input than any of his later bands anyhow. It was a pretty damn collective effort even though Zappa was the main composer. On another note, they were so fucking tight in '68 and '69, hardly any other bands (I'll throw Mr. Bungle out there) have accomplished that level of tightness in my opinion.

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thekidwiththefa escreveu:

I agree to what MrBob123 and Crustclock said. Although for me on his 3rd point, I far prefer his Mothers stuff. And as for what Irenicus_ says about Zappa being the artist, I call total bullshit, as The Mothers had a lot of artistic input. Half of albums like Weasels Ripped my Flesh is the Mothers improvising and fucking around on stage. That's the fucking Mothers. Zappa takes more of a directorial standpoint. But yes, I listen to far more Freak Out!, Absolutely Free, Cruising With Ruben and The Jets, We're Only In It For The Money, Uncle Meat, Burnt Weany Sandwich and Weasels Ripped my Flesh than any other Zappa.

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Crustclock escreveu:

1). I think the music sounds very different. I don't think Zappa ever wrote music like on 'Absolutely Free' or 'We're Only In It For The Money' ever again. He became less avant-garde/ parodic, and more funky jazz fusion (and bits of every other genre you care to mention). ... ... 2). The albums APPEAR with the name of the band on the cover. Unlike groups like 'Keith Jarrett Trio' or 'Miles Davis Quintet', the name, 'The Mothers of Invention' is unambiguously distinct, and this name (with no mention of Zappa) appears on 8 LPs. I think this is good grounds for segregation. ... ... 3). Bit of a shit reason, this, but Zappa made a lot of fucking albums, and making the distinction between his Mothers-era compositions and later works gives a more realistic impression of how much I listen to Zappa's stuff as opposed to Mothers. ... .... 4). Many people specifically like the Mothers stuff and not the 70's/80's 'solo' work. There you go. Four reasons.

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Irenicus_ escreveu:

I won't scrobble anything as The Mothers simply because Zappa has written everything and to me The Mothers are just "his" band. I mean, call me ignorant or an asshole, but Zappa is the "artist" here and not The Mothers. It's like with classical composers, they had their orchestra/ensemble/soloists too, but you never scrobble those as the artist.

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MrBob123 escreveu:

What about Joe's Corsage? It's comprised completely of early Mothers recordings so I'm thinking it should be included as well

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glassbottle escreveu:

I tagged; Freak Out!, Absolutely Free, We're Only in It for the Money, Cruising with Ruben & the Jets, Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, and Weasels Ripped My Flesh as The Mothers Of Invention... I'm gonna leave the rest as Frank Zappa... I was also too lazy to change Ahead Of Their Time

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Crustclock escreveu:

In case anyone doesn't know; you can use this tool - http://lastfmstats.livefrombmore.com/universalscrobbler/ - to reclaim your Mothers plays in a manual way. Doesn't take too long if you're not too fussy and then you can just delete your Mothers plays from your Zappa charts. [2]

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glassbottle escreveu:

I still don't know how to change all the Mothers albums I have scrobbled under Frank Zappa into this name.... Is there an easy way?

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aakoo78 escreveu:

I agree that the albums from Freak Out! to Weasels Ripped My Flesh (of course excluding Lumpy Gravy and Hot Rats) should be tagged as The Mothers Of Invention. The later albums up to One Size Fits All are more difficult, as they were released under different names like "The Mothers", "Frank Zappa and The Mothers" or "Zappa / Mothers". Still wondering how to tag them.

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xNachtElfx escreveu:

Yay, unmerged from Zappa! *happy dance*

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thekidwiththefa escreveu:

Zappa after the Mothers still doesn't grab me that much (well, some stuff does, like Hot Rats, and certain songs like Black Napkins and City of Tiny Lites, that blues stuff), but he got cool again with stuff like Jazz From Hell and his orchestral stuff.

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thekidwiththefa escreveu:

Personally, I went with what wikipedia said. I have the discography though, so some stuff that they don't list is pretty much the Mothers (like some of the You Can't Do That On Stage, and some bootlegs).

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pewpewlasers escreveu:

Freak Out!, Absolutely Free, We're Only in it for the Money, Cruising with Ruben and the Jets, Uncle Meat, Weasels Ripped my Flesh, and Burnt Weeny Sandwich were all by the original mothers of invention. But then you have the 1970-75 Mothers. I personally keep them all under Zappa though.

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