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About my iTunes playlist called "CD Against Todd Bentley"

Out 27 2008, 15h20 por Arwen4CJ

This journal entry is a continuation of a discussion that I am having with a person who has commented on my Spiritual Warfare journal entry.

To provide some background information, I do not agree with Todd Bentley's teachings or the Lakeland revival. Another user saw my comments about Todd Bentley, and this other user strongly supports him and his teachings. We have been commenting back and forth on my journal entry.

However, our discussion has taken us to a place in which I now have to defend myself in regard to my iLike account profile. The subject is that I have a playlist on iTunes, which is on my iLike profile. It is called "CD Against Todd Bentley."

In our discussion I was attempting to provide links so that the other user could listen to the sermons that I used in that playlist, but no matter what I did, last.fm was changing the URL links to the sermons to spam. The only way that I could think of to correct the problem was to start a new journal entry so that I could directly link.

The other user said this:
You have poste on your "ilike" profile - CD against Todd Bentley - it's pharisaic. You affirms you're not against persons - what's that? It's unworthy of a human being and a christian - without question. You're judging - it's not the way of doing like Jesus would do!"

My response:
see, so you were talking about my playlists on iLike. All right....so where do the playlists from iLike come from? They come from my iTunes playlists. I created the playlist called "CD Against Todd Bentley" because there was a lady in the church that I've been going to who was getting caught up in the Lakeland stuff. I downloaded several sermons from my pastors and put them on four different CD's so that I could give the CD's to the lady. She was not there when my pastor preached on Colossians 2.

iLike is very different from last.fm or MySpace. It is not somewhere that I would blog about anything.

"CD against Todd Bentley" is the name of a playlist -- the playlist that contains the sermons that I wanted to give to the lady. My playlists have one or two words, or short phrases so that I can identify what playlist they are. It was not meant to be an attack on Todd Bentley himself. If it would please you, I will change that playlist to say "CD against Todd Bentley's doctrine." It was meant to be a private playlist, for my own private use, so that I would have the sermons all on one playlist.

All right....I have added the words "teachings" to the playlist title. Hopefully that playlist will change in iLike as well. It might take a little time for the iLike software to detect this change. But I have officially changed in in iTunes. It will eventually change on iLike as well.

The playlist title was not meant to be seen by anyone except me, and also, I knew what it was for. It was to be used for my own purposes. If you have seen that playlist, then you know the titles of the sermons that are in that playlist:
1.) No Substitutes for Christ (based on Colossians 2) - Larry McWherter
2.) Small Things Done with a Great God - Rich Nathan
3.) The Holy Spirit and You - Rich Nathan
4.) A sermon about deception based on Matthew 24 - Nancy Cullen

All the songs that I put on there to fill up the space on the CD's are all focused on Jesus Christ and the gospel, and the supremacy of Christ. This was my intent with the CD's that I made for my friend.

The sermons themselves don't even mention Todd Bentley....but they do refute his doctrine.

As I have said to other people, we actually are called to discernment. Discernment is a kind of judgment -- it's a judgment between what teachings are of God and what are not. We are supposed to do this. Jesus told us to watch out so that no one deceives us. We are told to test everything.

Here are the sermons on the playlist "CD Against Todd Bentley":

This is a link a forum topic in my The King Reigns group. I have found out that mediafire links do not work in journal entries. Therefore, you can go to this link to download the mp3 sermon files.

http://www.last.fm/group/The+King+Reigns+-+and+Christian+singles/forum/81419/_/471130

[bf]CD 1 No Substitutes For Christ - Larry McWherter
http://www.[spam] above link is where you can download the mp3 file yourself and listen to what my pastor said in the sermon. He never mentions Todd Bentley or the Lakeland revival. I'm saying this so that you know it's not a hate filled sermon. The reason I wanted to give it to the lady who was being caught up in the Lakeland revival is because of the content of the sermon. In keeping with my belief that the best way to attack false doctrine is by stating the truth, this sermon focuses on the truth of Jesus Christ and who He is.

This past summer my pastor was going through the book of Colossians. This particular sermon happened to be focusing on specific verses that I had been using all summer in order to refute Todd Bentley's teachings. Colossians 2:18-21.
COL 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

COL 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

COL 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

His entire point throughout the whole sermon is that Jesus Christ is who we should be focusing on....He is Lord. Nothing should take the place of Christ. There can be no substitutes for Christ. This goes against Todd Bentley's teachings and the whole Lakeland revival because Todd Bentley was getting people to take their attention off of Christ. He was trying to "get people to believe in the angel" and he actually had people worship angels......calling them down and glorifying them. He also went on and on about the things that he has seen -- all the encounters he had with angels. Paul says in Colossians 2 that a person that does such things has lost their focus, and is not preaching Christ.

The songs that I put on the first CD and the explanations for why I included them on the CD.
1. How Great Is Our God, by Chris Tomlin - this song focuses on how great God is. No else deserves our worship...the triune God alone is to be glorified. He is God. Nothing else is on His level.
here are the lyrics:
The splendor of a King, clothed in majesty
Let all the earth rejoice
All the earth rejoice

He wraps himself in Light, and darkness tries to hide
And trembles at His voice
Trembles at His voice

How great is our God, sing with me
How great is our God, and all will see
How great, how great is our God

Age to age He stands
And time is in His hands
Beginning and the end
Beginning and the end

The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son
The Lion and the Lamb
The Lion and the Lamb

Name above all names
Worthy of our praise
My heart will sing
How great is our God

How great is our God, sing with me
How great is our God, and all will see
How great, how great is our God

2. Blessed Assurance, by Third Day This song is Third Day's recording of the hymn "Blessed Assurance." It too focuses on the supremacy of Jesus Christ, and how the reality is found in Him and Him alone. It is through Him that we have our salvation.
here are the lyrics:
Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
O what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
Born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.

[Refrain]:
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long;
This is my story, this is my song,
Praising my Savior all the day long.

Perfect submission, all is at rest;
I in my Savior am happy and blessed,
Watching and waiting, looking above,
Filled with his goodness, lost in his love.

(Refrain)

3. Blessed Be Your Name, by Matt Redman - a song to the praise and glory of God alone
lyrics:
Blessed Be Your Name
In the land that is plentiful
Where Your streams of abundance flow
Blessed be Your name

Blessed Be Your name
When I'm found in the desert place
Though I walk through the wilderness
Blessed Be Your name

Every blessing You pour out
I'll turn back to praise
When the darkness closes in, Lord
Still I will say

Blessed be the name of the Lord
Blessed be Your name
Blessed be the name of the Lord
Blessed be Your glorious name

Blessed be Your name
When the sun's shining down on me
When the world's 'all as it should be'
Blessed be Your name

Blessed be Your name
On the road marked with suffering
Though there's pain in the offering
Blessed be Your name

Every blessing You pour out
I'll turn back to praise
When the darkness closes in, Lord
Still I will say

Blessed be the name of the Lord
Blessed be Your name
Blessed be the name of the Lord
Blessed be Your glorious name

Blessed be the name of the Lord
Blessed be Your name
Blessed be the name of the Lord
Blessed be Your glorious name

You give and take away
You give and take away
My heart will choose to say
Lord, blessed be Your name

4. [bf]Bless His Name - Tony Sanchez - a song about rejoicing in Jesus Christ and who He is, and how He deserves all of our worship and praise
lyrics:
Come, let us sing for joy
Let us shout aloud to our King
Come, let us worship God
Lifting holy hands, bless His name

Lord, we come to meet with You again
To worship with one voice in adoration
You deserve our every praise
That echoes in this place
You’re the worthy One

Lord, we come with gratitude that flows
From deep within our souls
We rejoice in You
(And) We will glory in Your name
With a shout our lips proclaim
The praises stirring in our hearts

Every creature in Heaven and Earth below
Bless His name, bless His name (4x)

5. You Alone - David Crowder Band - a song about the Triune God being the one and only God, and that He is all we need. He is enough. Also, we worship Him alone....nothing else, not angels, not manifestations.....but God and God alone. It also includes our response to God -- giving Him everything that we are.
lyrics:
You are the only one I need
I bow all of me at Your feet
I worship You alone

You have given me more than
I could ever have wanted
And I want to give You my heart and my soul

You alone are Father
And You alone are good
You are alone are Savior
And You alone are God

I'm alive, I'm alive
I'm alive, I'm alive

6. Reprise, by David Crowder Band - focusing on the supremacy of Christ. All of our worship rightfully belongs to Him. Nothing and no one can compare to Him -- including angels.
lyrics:
There's no one like You, Jesus
There is no one like You, Jesus
There's no one like You
There is no one like You

7. Deliver Me, by David Crowder Band - it is Jesus who delivers us, not angels. It is Jesus that we need to trust, not angels.
lyrics:
Deliver me out of the sadness
Deliver me from all of the madness
Deliver me courage to guide me
Deliver me Your strength inside me

Chorus
All of my life
I've been in hiding
Wishing there was someone just like You
Now that You're here
Now that I've found You
I know that You're the One to pull me through

Deliver me loving and caring
Deliver me giving and sharing
Deliver me this cross that I'm bearing

Oh, deliver me

Jesus, Jesus how I trust You
How I've proved You o'er and o'er
Jesus, Jesus, precious Jesus
Deliver me
Come and pull me through
Come pull me through

CD 2 - Small Things Done with A Great God, by Rich Nathan
The reason that I included this is because just after I found out about the whole Lakeland revival thing, I decided to go see what Rich Nathan had to say about it, if anything. I wanted to see what he was teaching on. I have been to his church with some of my friends on Saturday nights, and I really respect him and I like what he has to say. It so happened that he was doing a sermon series on healing.

I found that to be rather ironic, since the whole Lakeland revival was about healing and such. So I listened to Rich Nathan's sermon. I listened to both this sermon and The Holy Spirit and You. This explanation will cover both sermons.

Rich never mentioned Todd Bentley by name, and he never mentioned the Lakeland revival by name. What he did say, though, was that God is enough. People don't need to go chasing after the latest fad...."oh, God's really moving in California, we need to go there and get what they have." Rich said, no, God's already moving in Columbus, Ohio. He is enough. We don't need to go chasing after some healing manifestation, or go to some great healer. God uses us. Both of his sermons were about God and God alone. Not about angels and not about manifestations, and not about "getting the anointing."

I included these sermons because of the comments that Rich makes about God being enough, people not needing to go somewhere else, people not needing to go get what some great healer has....and because Rich was dealing with the very same subject that the revival was dealing with -- healing. I was hoping that the lady that I was giving these CD's to would be able to see the difference between what was going on at Lakeland and what Rich was teaching.

here are the songs on CD 2.
1. Church Rise Up, by John Barnett - this is actually a song that they had been playing a lot at the church that I had been going to at home. To me it is a call for the church to rise up in truth.....preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
lyrics:
Lord, things are changing
War is raging, hearts grow cold
Shake the dust from our vision
Raise a standard, lead us on

Breathe upon the dreams
You've planted in our hearts
By Your Spirit
Let these dry bones live again
Let them live again

Let the church rise up
Let them sing again
From the ends of the Earth
Let freedom ring
Make us salt and light
In the name of Christ
From the ends of the Earth
Let the church rise up

2. Creed, Third Day - This is what I call Christian orthodoxy...these are the essentials of the Christian faith. I included it because this is what any revival should be teaching. The main message should be the gospel. That's not what I saw going on in Lakeland.
lyrics:
I believe in God the Father
Almighty Maker of Heaven and Maker of Earth
And in Jesus Christ His only begotten Son, our Lord
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit
Born of the virgin Mary
Suffered under Pontius Pilate
He was crucified and dead and buried

And I believe what I believe is what makes me what I am
I did not make it, no it is making me
It is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man

I believe that He who suffered was crucified, buried, and dead
He descended into hell and on the third day, rose again
He ascended into Heaven where He sits at God's mighty right hand
I believe that He's returning
To judge the quick and the dead of the sons of men

And I believe what I believe is what makes me what I am
I did not make it, no it is making me
It is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man

I believe it, I believe it
I believe it
I believe it, I believe it

I believe in God the Father
Almighty Maker of Heaven and Maker of Earth
And in Jesus Christ His only begotten Son, our Lord
I believe in the Holy Spirit
One Holy Church
The communion of Saints
The forgiveness of sin
I believe in the resurrection
I believe in a life that never ends

And I believe what I believe is what makes me what I am
I did not make it, no it is making me
I did not make it, no it is making me
I said I did not make it, no it is making me
It is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man

I believe it, I believe
I believe it, I believe
I believe it, I believe it
I believe it, I believe it
I believe it, I believe it
I believe it

3. You Never Let Go, by Matt Redman - a song about how God will never let go of us, and how we need to cling to Him alone.
lyrics:
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
Your perfect love is casting out fear.
And even when I'm caught in the middle of the storms of this life,
I won't turn back, I know You are near.

And I will fear no evil,
For my God is with me.
And if my God is with me,
Whom then shall I fear?
Whom then shall I fear?

O no, You never let go,
Through the calm and through the storm
O no, You never let go,
In every high and every low
O no, You never let go -
Lord You never let go of me.

And I can see a light is coming for the heart that holds on -
A glorious light beyond all compare.
And there will be an end to these troubles,
But until that day comes,
We'll live to know You here on the earth.

(And I will fear no evil)

Yes, I can see a light that is coming for the heart that holds on,
And there will be an end to these troubles, but until that day comes,
Still I will praise You, still I will praise You.

4. Father, Spirit, Jesus, by Casting Crowns - the gospel....what more can I say. It's about who God is and what He has done, and then our response to Him. Because of who God is and what He has done, we will give him ALL of our worship, and worship Him alone. We don't worship angels.
lyrics:
Lord, the worship we bring
Is more than songs that we sing
It's a reflection of our ever-changing lives
The best we have to offer

We don't just lift up our hands
Lord, we lift up our lives
For we know that You are worthy of our praise
To You our lifesongs raise

Rescued from darkness
We are walking in marvelous light
For we are children of the King
SING

You are worthy of all honor
Glory, praise and power
King of the nations
You are holy God, almighty
Clothed in brilliant majesty
Father, Spirit, Jesus

REPEAT ALL

Rescued from darkness
We are walking in marvelous light
For we are children of the King
SING
SING

You are worthy of all honor
Glory, praise and power
King of the nations
You are holy God, almighty
Clothed in brilliant majesty
Father, Spirit, Jesus

Worthy of all honor
Glory, praise and power
King of the nations
You are holy God, almighty
Clothed in brilliant majesty
Father, Spirit, Jesus
Father, Spirit, Jesus
Father, Spirit, Jesus
Father, Spirit, Jesus

5. Nothing In This World, by Marc James - about God alone being worthy of our praise, and that nothing can compare to who He is, including angels. Because of this, we will give God all of our worship.
lyrics:
Nothing in this world
Not one thing found on Earth
Could compare with who You are (Repeat Section)

I will give You all my worship
I will give You all my praise
You alone are truly worthy
You alone are truly great

Who else reigns in majesty
Enthroned on high
Who else reigns eternally
Jesus Christ

6. When All Is Said and Done, by Matt Redman - we belong to Jesus and Jesus alone. It is to Him that we give our all, our every breath. We don't give anything to angels. Jesus is our only hope.
lyrics:
Life´s too short to be lukewarm,
This is I know, this I know.
Jesus You can have it all
My every breath,
My every breath.

I need Your power to live this life,
This I know, this I know.
I can´t do this by myself;
You´re Christ in me
My only hope,
My only hope.

As I walk this broken world,
Tune my life to heaven´s song
For I am Yours.
And when all is said and done,
Tune my life to heaven´s song
Forevermore.

7. I Lift My Eyes Up, by Kutless - it is to God that we need to look. He is where our help comes from, not angels. God is our only hope. He's the One who gives life.
lyrics:
I lift my eyes up
Unto the mountains
Where does my help come from?
My help comes from You
Maker of heaven
Creator of the Earth

Chorus
Oh how I need You, Lord
You are my only hope
You're my only power
So I will wait for You
To come and rescue me
Come and give me life

CD 3 - The Holy Spirit and You, by Rich Nathan
See explanation for Small Things Done With A Great God

here are the songs:
Medley, by Third Day - I chose this one especially because of the Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus part of the song. Compared to Jesus, everything else in this world grows strangely dim. But Give also talks about talks about God's love being all that we need and want.
lyrics:
Give/Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus/With Or Without You/Your Love Oh Lord

You said all that follow You may find
Comfort and pain, blessings in hard times
Were I to leave, where else would I go?
The words of life and of truth you hold

All I want is love
I confess to this
I will take it, Lord
All You have to give

Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in His wonderful face
And the things of Earth
Will grow strangely dim
In the light of His glory and grace

And you give yourself away
And you give yourself away
And you give
And you give
And you give yourself away

All I want is love
And I confess to this
I will take it, Lord
All You have to give
All You have to give
All You have
All You have to give

Your love, oh Lord
Reaches to the heavens
Your faithfulness stretches to the sky
And Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains
Your justice flows like the ocean's tides

And I will lift my voice
To worship You, my King
I will find my strength
In the shadow of Your wings

Your love, oh Lord
Reaches to the heavens
Your faithfulness stretches to the sky

2. Set Me Free, by Casting Crowns it is only through God that people are set free, not through angels

I don't feel like typing up the lyrics. I don't have them saved on my computer, like I have the others.

3. A Greater Song, by Matt Redman - it's Jesus that we need to be proclaiming day after day. It is not angels or anything else.
lyrics:
Who could imagine a melody
True enough to tell of Your mercy?
Who could imagine a harmony
Sweet enough to tell of Your love?
I see the heavens proclaiming You day after day,
And I know in my heart that there must be a way

To sing a greater song,
A greater song to You on the earth.
To sing a greater song,
A greater song to You on the earth.

Who could imagine a symphony,
Grand enough to tell of Your glory?
Our highest praise but a feeble breath
A whisper of Your thunderous worth.

I see the heavens proclaiming You day after day,
And I know in my heart that there must be a way

To sing a greater song,
A greater song to You on the earth.
To sing a greater song,
A greater song to You on the earth.

Hallelujah, we want to lift You higher,
Hallelujah, we want to lift You higher.

4. Much of You, by Steven Curtis Chapman - this is where my heart is....to make much of Jesus. We should always be making much of Him, not much of ourselves. It reminded me of a really good book I read called "Don't Waste Your Life," by John Piper. Once again, it is the gospel that is central to the Christian faith. This is what any revival should be doing. Not making much of humans, not making much of angels, not making much of anything except for God.
lyrics:
How could I stand here
And watch the sun rise
Follow the mountains
Where they touch the sky
Ponder the vastness
And the depths of the sea
And think for a moment
The point of it all was to make much of me
Cause I'm just a whisper
And You are the thunder and

I want to make much of You, Jesus
I want to make much of Your love
I want to live today to give You the praise
That You alone are so worthy of
I want to make much of Your mercy
I want to make much of Your cross
I give You my life
Take it and let it be used
To make much of You

And how can I kneel here
And think of the cross
The thorns and the whip and the nails and the spear
The infinite cost
To purchase my pardon
And bear all my shame
To think I have anything worth boasting in except for Your name
Cause I am a sinner
And You are the Savior

I want to make much of You, Jesus
I want to make much of Your love
I want to live today to give You the praise
That You alone are so worthy of
I want to make much of Your mercy
I want to make much of Your cross
I give You my life
Take it and let it be used

To make much of You

This is Your love, oh God
Not to make much of me
But to send Your own son
So that we could make much of You

For all eternity

I want to make much of You Jesus
I want to make much of Your love
I want to live today to give You the praise
That You alone are so worthy of
I want to make much of Your mercy
I want to make much of Your cross
I give You my life
Take it and let it be used
To make much of You

I want to make much of You
Much of You Jesus

5. Nothing But the Blood, by Matt Redman - this is one of my all time favorite songs ever. This song speaks of the TRUTH.....and this is what needs to be proclaimed. This is the gospel, and this is all about Jesus. It has nothing to do with angels.
lyrics:
Your blood speaks a better word
Than all the empty claims I've heard upon this earth
Speaks righteousness for me
And stands in my defense
Jesus it's Your blood (x2)

[Chorus]
What can wash away our sins?
What can make us whole again?
Nothing but the blood
Nothing but the blood of Jesus
What can wash us pure as snow?
Welcomed as the friends of God
Nothing but Your blood
Nothing but Your blood King Jesus

Your cross testifies in grace
Tells of the Father's heart to make a way for us
Now boldly we approach
Not by earthly confidence
It's only by Your blood

[Chorus]

Praise You for the blood
Yes, we praise You for the blood

(We've been ransomed, we've been held, we've been restored & forgiven. Thank you LORD)

So, we will praise you for the blood
Praise you for the blood

What can cleanse the world from sin
Nothing but Your blood
Nothing but Your blood King Jesus

6. Trust In You, by Jeremy Camp - it's in God that we trust. We don't trust anything else.
lyrics:
I can't see you
I know your there
I can feel you
I will not fear
I will trust in you and
I will not be afraid

When the battle is close at hand
Though your with me
You help me stand
I will trust in you
And I will not be afraid

I will not be afraid
I will not be afraid

I will trust in you
I will trust in you
I will trust in you

When the darkness is close at hand
And I'm running against the wind
I will trust in you
And I will not be afraid

When I'm standing upon that shore
Of the battle
Have gone before
I will trust in you
And I will not be afraid

I will not be a fraid
I will not be afraid

I will trust in you
I will trust in you
I will trust in you

I will trust in you
I will trust in you
I will trust in you

I will trust in you

I will not be afraid
I will not be afraid

I will not be afraid

I will not be afraid, ohh

I will trust in you
I will trust in you
I will trust in you

I will trust in you

I will trust in you

I will trust in you

CD 4 - Do Not Be Deceived, by Nancy Cullen
This sermon was part of a series on the Sermon of the Mount. This was preached in the church that I had been going to at home. I went home for the month of June because I didn't have any classes.

This message was based on Matthew 24. In it, Nancy says that wide is the path that leads to destruction, but narrow is the way. She also says that we can all be deceived. No one wants to be deceived, but yet we have all been deceived at one point or another. Because it speaks about not being deceived, I really got a lot out of this sermon. It was something that was weighing on my heart at the time, and still is.

Little did I know that people at that church were trying to bring in the Todd Bentley stuff. I found this out a couple weeks later, hence my e-mail to Nancy and one of my friends at that church. They really looked into the Lakeland stuff and did research. They decided that it was nothing that they wanted to get involved with. I praise God for that. This sermon actually played an important part in my e-mail to them, and probably their discussion about the topic.

This sermon deals with the very subject that I felt was so strongly part of the Lakeland thing -- deception.

here are the songs:
1. Jesus, You Alone, by Matt Redman, Tim Hughes, and some others - this song is about Jesus alone being our first love. Never should we look into another way.
lyrics:
Jesus, You alone shall
Be my first love,
My first love.
The secret place and the highest praise
Shall be Yours,
Shall be Yours.

To Your throne I'll bring devotion,
My it be the sweetest sound.
Lord this heart is reaching for You now

So I'll set my sights upon You,
Set my life upon Your praise,
Never looking to another way.
You alone will be my passion,
Jesus, You will be my song.
You will find me longing after You.

Day and night I lift my eyes
To seek You,
To seek You.
Hungry for a glimpse of You
In glory,
In glory

2. Beautiful One, Jeremy Camp - I absolutely love this song.....another of my favorites. It's about Jesus and how He is the Beautiful One...and it's also about what He did for us.
lyrics:
Wonderful, so wonderful, is Your unfailing love
Your cross has spoken mercy over me
No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart could fully know
How glorious, how beautiful You are

Beautiful one I love You
Beautiful one I adore
Beautiful one, my soul must sing

Powerful, powerful, Your glory fills the skies
Your mighty work displayed for all to see
The beauty of Your majesty awakes my heart to sing
How marvellous, how wonderful You are

You opened my eyes to Your wonders anew
You captured my heart with this love
'Cause nothing on earth is as beautiful as You

My soul my soul must sing
My soul my soul must sing
My soul my soul must sing
Beautiful one

3. Hosanna Praise Is Rising, by Brenton Brown - this is a description of what real revival is. It is where people turn to God, in truth. It's not about angels or manifestations.
lyrics:
Praise is rising, eyes are turning to You
We turn to You
Hope is stirring, hearts are yearning for You
We long for You
When we see You we find strength to face the day
In Your presence all our fears are washed away, washed away
Hosanna, Hosanna,
Come have Your way among us
We welcome You here, Lord Jesus
Hear the sound of hearts returning to You
We turn to You
In Your kingdom broken lives are made new
You make all things new

4. May the Words of My Mouth, by Tim Hughes - another of my very favorite songs. This is what the real heart of a believer is. We should be speaking about Jesus....again making much of Him in everything we do and say. We are to follow Him, not angels, and not modern day "prophets" or "apostles."
lyrics:
May the words of my mouth and the thoughts of my heart
Bless Your name, bless Your name, Jesus
And the deeds of the day and the truth in my ways
Speak of You, speak of You, Jesus

For this is what I'm glad to do
It's time to live a life of love that pleases You
And I will give my all to You
Surrender everything I have and follow You
I'll follow You

Lord, will You be my vision, Lord, will You be my guide
Be my hope, be my light and the way
And I'll look not for riches, nor praises on earth
Only You'll be the first of my heart

I will follow
I will follow
I will follow You

5. Breathing the Breath, by Matt Redman - worship of God and God alone....not angels
lyrics:
We have nothing to give
That didn't first come from Your hands
We have nothing to offer You
Which You did not provide
Every good, perfect gift comes from
Your kind and gracious heart
And all we do is give back to You
What always has been Yours

Lord, we're breathing the breath
That You gave us to breathe
To worship You, to worship You
And we're singing these songs
With the very same breath
To worship You, to worship You

Who has given to You
That it should be paid back to him?
Who has given to You
As if You needed anything?
From You, and to You, and through You
Come all things, O Lord
And all we do is give back to You
What always has been Yours

We are breathing the breath
That You gave us to breathe

6. What Can I Bring, by Jeremy Riddle - God is worthy...and He is infinitely more wonderful than anything else. Again, focused on God and not angels.
lyrics:
This is my song to You
A melody of thanks for You
An expression of wonder
At Your beauty and Your splendor
No other cry have I
Than to know You more and lift You high
Oh, God of infinite glory
Above all You are worthy

What can I bring to You
Simply a song of love
And boundless gratitude
My whole life for You
You've rescued me from death
Given me Your kingdom
And blessed me with Your love
Countless mercies from above

Had I riches, I would bring them
Had I kingdoms, I would lose them
Had I the world, too small a gift
Would it be for You

7. Sweetly Broken, by Jeremy Riddle - again, one of my favorite songs. It's about the cross and what Jesus did on it for us. It's also about our response -- a response of total surrender to Him as Lord of Lord and King of Kings.
lyrics:
To the cross I look, to the cross I cling
Of it's suffering I do drink
Of it's work I do sing

For on it my Savior, both bruised and crushed Showed that God is love
And God is just

At the cross You beckon me
You draw me gently to my knees, and I am
Lost for words, so lost in love,
I'm sweetly broken, wholly surrendered

What a priceless gift, undeserved life
Have I been given
Through Christ crucified

You've called me out of death
You've called me into life
And I was under Your wrath
Now through the cross I'm reconciled

In awe of the cross I must confess
How wondrous Your redeeming love and
How great is Your faithfulness

As you can hopefully see, this CD is not a hate filled......This is what it is. If you don't believe me, then go to my iLike profile and look at the playlist there. Listen to the sermons.

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Spiritual Warfare

Jul 6 2008, 2h48 por Arwen4CJ

(This is the last one tonight.....I promise. I apologize for sending so many of them today....I just wanted to make sure that I warned everyone on here about Todd Bentley. I consider it to be an extremely important issue.

Ever since I started reading up on some of the "Christian" teachings that are out there, especially in certain Christian circles, it seems obvious that some people, including Todd Bentley have a view of spiritual warfare that is not supported by Scripture.

They seem to think that spiritual warfare is some sort of action that people must engage in, such as praying against demons or demonic powers, making war in the heavens. The first time I saw something like this was when someone on last.fm sent me a couple of links to the Jesus Camp video. I was horrified to learn that this is what some people consider to be Christianity, or a way of living the Christian life. A lot of people who view spiritual warfare this way quote Ephesians 6:10-12 in support of what they do.

Indeed, after the bulletin message that I sent out yesterday entilted "Jesus vs. Todd Bentley" I received a MySpace message from one of my friends, claiming that Todd Bentley's teachings on spiritual warfare are Scriptural....citing those verses in Ephesians.

If this is your view of spiritual warfare, I urge you to to reconsider the traditional teaching on this subject that you have aquired. I know of someone at MTSO who has a viewpoint like this....and she always seems to be so depressed. She feels that she must fight against the spiritual powers, binding spirits, taking authority over everything bad....over sins in other people's lives. In my opinion, to view spiritual warfare this way is unhealthy. It takes the focus off of God, and it causes people to always have to worry about demons and making war against them. Plus, "binding" them and all the prayers that they do do not seem to work. Also, it prevents people from taking responsibility for their sins, and it prevents people from true repentance. Why would you feel that you needed to surrender to God if it was all the devil? If it was only the devil's fault that you sinned? I just don't see how people of this mindset can realize that they are leading a life that is making them turn from God. There would thus be no reason to turn towards God....there would be no agreeing that you are a sinner and you need Him as your Lord and Savior.

I'm not saying that this view of spiritual warfare is heretical....but I think it in itself is a burden to people, and I think that it prevents them from truly being free in Christ and living the life that God intends. I think it does opposite of what their goal in spiritual warfare is. Plus, it gets in the way of the real gospel. Therefore I think it is problematic.....

Here was my response to my friend who sees nothing wrong with Todd Bentley's teaching on spiritual warfare:
I think you were referring to Ephesians 6:10-12....however, in order to properly understand this passage, you have to put it in its full context:

10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.

12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

14Stand firm therefore, HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, 15and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE; 16in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, 19and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

There is nothing in here about praying against demons or "doing spirtual warfare" as the way that many like Todd Bentley teach it.

Rather, we are to stand in the TRUTH, we are to study God's Word (the Bible), we are to arm ourselves in the truth. We are to stand in the truth of the gospel, in the truth of salvation, in the truth of what Jesus did on the cross on our behalf, and we are to proclaim the gospel to others. Paul himself asked for people to pray for him that he would proclaim the gospel bodly. This is also how the kingdom of God advances....making God known to those that do not yet know Him. This is what TRUE spiritual warfare is all about.

Yes, demons exist, however, let's be conscerned with God's truth.

A friend of mine wrote this in defense of Todd Bentley:
"yes praying agains demons it normal and in fact neccacery... for our war is not aginst flesh and blood but against pricipalitys and powers of the atmousphere"

My response -
Umm...no....praying against demons is not normal, and it is not necessary...not in my Bible.

RO 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all--how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

RO 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

JN 10:25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

ISA 43:13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?"

sure...we have to be on our guard against false things -- against the lies of Satan, against false teachers, against things that are contrary to God....and yes, Satan and demons exist, but we do not have to fear them. They can not separate us from Jesus Christ unless we let them. I'm not afraid of Satan, and I'm not afraid of demons. I see no reason to engage them in the way that Todd Bentley teaches.

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Todd Bentley and Florida "Outpouring" - Part 10 - Research 5 - Videos and Conclusion

Jul 6 2008, 2h21 por Arwen4CJ

(make sure you see the videos at the end)

wow.....

yeah, the guy in the video is correct....this stuff is not of God.

I’m concerned about those in the Vineyard that are sending people from their churches there in order to "bring something back.
"

I’ve been going to Vineyard churches for the past couple of years. Vineyard isn’t technically a denomination; it is an association. According to some websites, such as http://www. apologeticsindex. org, it is obvious to me that there have been false teachers in Vineyard, just as with any other denomination or association of churches. There is no perfect denomination/association, and Vineyard is no exception to the rule.

I don't know anything about these false teachers except from what I have read online....and from what I have read, the Kansas City Prophets were once associated with Vineyard, and these prophets were false.

I know of one Vineyard that teaches things that I don't agree with....and that would be the Albany Vineyard in Oregon. All the people who put together the Elijah List attend that church. I feel that any church that supports those featured on the Elijah List has gone off the deep end. I believe in Vineyard's statement of faith, but unfortunately a statement of faith does not guarantee that a particular church in that denomination/association is going to teach sound doctrine. And believe me....I DO stand up for Vineyard when others attack it.....but I have to be honest. There ARE some unbiblical Vineyard churches. The same is true with the United Methodist church or any denomination. Unfortunately the Elijah List recommends and endorses the false prophets and teachers.
So does the church that they attend :(

Rich Nathan, pastor of Vineyard Church of Columbus, and I respect him a lot. I listen to his sermons online sometimes. I hope that he says something against this "revival." It’ll probably have to come to his attention one way or another. Right now there is nothing on Vineyard Church of Columbus' websiste regarding it. That’s not suprirsing, though, because the Vineyard’s ththat I know are not into all this chasing after spritual gifts and manifestations. They are focused on Jesus Christ and the gospel. So in order for this "revival" to concern these churches, it will have to be brought to our attention from the outside. If he knew about this, I'm quite certain that Rich Nathan would be 100% against it.

If a bunch of people from Vineyards are going to get caught up in this stuff, then it could cause a huge controversy within Vineyard....but controversies are not always bad. I don't know....those who oppose it within Vineyard are either going to have to take a stand for the truth or the whole issue will be ignored. Some churches would get swept up in the false teachings while other churches would stay right on focus.

(see first video for this)

Post 2
http://wyo-believers-free-press.warn-usa.com/?p=119

“ANGELS” & the FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL -
Warning!-
by Andrew Strom

This video is a sample of the revival, along with laughter, shaking, and angels. This article is a warning of “lying signs and wonders” by Andrew Strom. There are many problems with the “holy laughter which came out of various revivals along with Angelic visitation.
You need to read this and watch the video, then seek the Lord about this, considering the warning.

I continue to get emails about last week’s article - “A FALSE HEALING REVIVAL?” Some people strongly agree, while others are totally outraged that I would question the healings or other manifestations that are occurring.

Personally I am deeply saddened that I even have to put out these warnings. I get no pleasure out of it. In fact I hate having to talk about this stuff. But what happens if something is seriously amiss and yet no warnings are given? Is it right to be silent in such a case? What about the precious sheep? Shouldn’t they be warned?

What a lot of people may not realize is that the leader of the revival Todd Bentley has a long history in the “Laughing/ Drunkenness” movement - but also is a leading proponent of strange “Angel” encounters (and I do mean ’strange’). Todd has openly promoted these encounters for years - in fact he is well-known for leading others into contact with these ‘angels’ too. This has been a big part of his ministry for a very long time. And it is really no different now.

Here are a couple of extracts from Todd’s 2003 article ‘Angelic Hosts’:

“So when I need a financial breakthrough I don’t just pray and ask God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the angels that are assigned to getting me money: “Father, give me the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.”

Todd continues…
“EMMA, ANGEL Of The PROPHETIC
Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type
angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. “In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young - about 22 years old - but she was old at the
same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life. She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people… Within three
weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands!… During this visitation the pastor’s wife (it was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost - she began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken
as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them… Then angels started showing up in the church.” [END QUOTE]

(everything in part 2 is taken from the above website, and the video that he is referring to is the second one)

post 3
I just watched part 1 of this video...

what struck me was the clips of Bentley speaking did not in any way give evidence to me that he was speaking by the Spirit. When pastors who have the Holy Spirit speak, they speak in truth. Their message lines up with Scripture, and the Holy Spirit testifies to me that it is truth. I know what the truth is.

This guy did not give glory to God. When he was reading Scripture he did not highlight God or glorify Him. Instead he highlighted the angel, and glorified the angel....then he talked about having experiences......there was no substance to his words (because he was not speaking by the Spirit).

And yes, he called Jesus an angel. :(

And he obviously did not care about Jesus Christ......he only cared about having experiences and talking about them. What he was saying has no place in Christianity. the stuff he was talking about was extra-biblical....and the people editing the video were right. Todd Bentley has no discernment.

Bentley does not preach the truth. If you want to hear a good preacher, I’ll give you the links to several sermons I have saved on my computer....then compare them with Bentley’s preaching. The difference should be immediately evident.
(please see video three and four)

here’s an example of a website which has an audio clip of Todd Bentley claiming that God told him NOT to talk about Jesus, but instead to teach people to believe in angels.

Todd Bentley claiming that God told him NOT to teach people to believe in Jesus, but instead for him to teach people to believe in angels.

I hope I did the code right...in case I didn’t...here is the URL

http://blog.thewaycf.com/2008/05/audio-todd-bentley-says-its-not-about.html

In conclusion:
he thing is, though, that God commands us to be decerning......so that we do not get led astray. We are commanded to test the spirits. We need to check to make sure that what is being taught by Todd Bentley is lining up with Scripture and sound doctrine. The Holy Spirit will NEVER go against Scripture.

1JN 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2TI 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

TIT 1:5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. 6 An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer is entrusted with God’s work, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

TIT 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

Because Todd Bentley is leading a revival, he is placing himself in the position of being a Christian leader....therefore he is responsible for what teachings come out of his meetings. We need to examine his doctrine. There is no going around this issue.

Furthermore, just because someone does healings does not mean that they are automatically of God....

DT 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them, " 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

In my opinion, failing to give God glory while trying to start a big revival signifies that this revival is not of God. I’m not saying that we have to be perfect in order for God to work.....but I am saying that those who teach should do so in accordance with sound doctrine. If they do not, then there is something seriously wrong.

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