• Per buleries

    Dez 13 2008, 19h03 por CatalanBear

    Al hi vaig arribar a través de la incommensurable veu d'en Camarón de la Isla i de les incursions d'en Paco de Lucía en el jazz d'arrel mediterrània.

    El flamenc és una herència morisca, una herència berber d'origen persa que arrela en la cultura sufí i en la música .

    Una soca ferma i fondament arrelada que ha tingut d'altres fills a la península. Fills de la talla de les vares valencianes recuperades recentment p'en Miquel Gil o la cançó improvisada tan pròpia del Pirineu i que es pot trobar en el repertori tradicional de grups com El Pont d'Arcalís. Una sonoritat que té en el trovo alpujarreño un germà molt proper.

    L'art de la veu improvisada i el lament és una tradició morisca, sefardita i cristiana tan catalana com andalusa. Herència mora, jueva i cristiana en terra de pas, en país de frontera, en terra de tots:

  • Which country are your top 50 artists from?

    Jun 7 2008, 3h04 por littlebuster6

  • Top 50

    Mai 5 2008, 0h54 por littlebuster6

    Okay, I've fucked this up a few times and I'm pretty bored and tired now, so my answers won't be that extensive.

    1. How did you get into 29?
    Red Hot Chili Peppers: After watching their video Other SideOther Side.

    2. What was the first song you ever heard by 22?
    Radiohead: Creep

    3. What’s your favorite lyric by 33?
    Goes Cube: I have no idea.

    4. What is your favorite album by 49?
    Primus: Fizzle Fry

    5. How many albums by 13 do you own?
    Los Bunkers: 1, Vida de Perros

    6. What is your favorite song by 50?
    The Fratellis: Cigarello

    7. Is there a song by 39 that makes you sad?
    Arctic Monkeys: Not really.

    8. What is your favorite album by 15?
    Pink Floyd: The Dark Side Of The Moon

    9. What is your favorite song by 5?
    Jimi Hendrix: TocarI Don't Live Today

    10. Is there a song by 6 that makes you happy?
    Tim Buckley: TocarAren't You The Girl

    11. What is your favorite album by 40?
    Mala Rodríguez: TocarAlevosía

    12. What is your favorite song by 10?
    The Mars Volta: Goliath

    13. What is a good memory you have involving 30?
    Loudermilk: When I was getting into Muse I downloaded a song called Rock & Roll And The Teenage Desperation (by Loudermilk), but in the tags it had Muse as the artist. I didn't know any of the bands back then, so for a while I thought it was actually a Muse song. So, the first Muse song I listened to was actually a Loudermilk song.

    14. What is your favorite song by 38?
    Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: Ali Maula Ali Maula Ali Dam Da

    15. Is there a song by 19 that makes you happy?
    The Rolling Stones: TocarYou Can't Always Get What You Want

    16. How many times have you seen 25 live?
    Damien Rice: Never

    17. What is the first song you ever heard by 23?
    The Beatles: It's really hard to say because I've grown up with their music. Maybe one of the first I remember is Come Together.

    18. What is your favorite album by 11?
    White Stripes: Probably Icky Thump. I like the other ones, too, so it was hard to pick just one.

    19. Who is a favorite member of 1?
    Muse: oh, this one is though. I'd say Matt Bellamy. I don't think he is Muse, but his contributions are he most... ehem, evident in the band's music.

    20. Have you ever seen 14 live?
    Camarón de la Isla: No, considering that it is no longer possible because Camarón passed away more than 10 years ago.

    21. What is a good memory involving 27?
    The Doors: A guy gave me a mixtape with a few The Doors songs in it.

    22. What is your favorite song by 16?
    The Flaming Lips: TocarFree Radicals

    23. What is the first song you ever heard by 47?
    Manic Street Preachers: TocarA Design For Life. I was watching them live on the telly and I loved this song.

    24. What is your favorite album by 18?
    Gotan Project: I've only listened to one, La Revancha Del Tango

    25. What is your favorite song by 21?
    Glasvegas: Legs n Show

    26. What is the first song you ever heard by 26?
    Oasis: TocarSupersonic.

    27. What is your favorite album by 3?
    Rage Against the Machine: Ah, another tough one. I'd say Evil Empire.

    28. What is your favorite song by 2?
    Jeff Buckley: So, so many... I was going to name a few, but the list kept growing larger in my head, so I'll try to name only one although I know I'll change my mind later. TocarSatisfied Mind. There, I chose one.

    29. What was the first song you ever heard by 32?
    Jarabe de Palo: TocarLa Flaca

    30. What is your favorite song by 8?
    Soda Stereo: TocarSueles Dejarme Solo.

    31. How many times have you seen 17 live?
    Yo-Yo Ma: None

    32. Is there a song by 44 that makes you happy?
    Molotov: They're not known for being cheerful, but I like TocarVoto Latino.

    33. What is your favorite album by 12?
    The Who: Tommy. It set me free ;).

    34. What is the worst song by 45?
    Manu Chao: I don't really listen to him that much (I've got like 3 songs by him on my playlist and it wasn't me who downloaded them), so I don't know.

    35. What was the first song you ever heard by 34?
    A Perfect Circle: TocarJudith

    36. What is your favorite album by 48?
    Viernes Verde: Miel

    37. How many times have you seen 42 live?
    Deftones: lol, never. Cool bands don't come to sad little countries like mine.

    38. What is your favorite song by 36?
    Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: Again? Ayway, Ali Maula Ali Maula Ali Dam Da

    39. What was the first song you ever heard by 28?
    CCS: Art Bitch. That's the only song of theirs that I like, btw.

    40. What is your favorite album by 7?
    Kasabian: Kasabian

    41. Is there a song by 31 that makes you happy?
    The Killers: TocarBones

    42. What is your favorite album by 41?
    Paavo Berglund: I've only got an album by him directing a symphony composed by Jean Sibelius.

    43. What is your favorite song by 24?
    Klaxons: Gravity's Rainbow

    44. What is a good memory you have involving 46?
    Jamiroquai: Nothing, really.

    45. What is your favorite song by 35?
    Coldplay: TocarGod Put A Smile Upon Your Face
    46. Is there a song by 9 that makes you happy?
    Cold War Kids: The Soloist in the Living Room, I love that song :)

    47. What is your favorite album by 4?
    System of a Down: Toxicity

    48. Who is a favorite member of 37?
    The Strokes: Don't know, I only like a couple of songs by them

    49. What is the first song you ever heard by 43?
    Wolfmother: TocarWoman, and I'm thankful I found out about this band.

    50. How many albums do you own by 20?
    Nirvana: Bleach, In Utero, Unplugged In New York, Nevermind, From The Muddy Banks Of The Wishkah, Incesticide
  • Ropa Vieja, the new track

    Abr 14 2008, 19h59 por Sen045

    Ok, so I've got a new Sen045 track out yet again! I've been a bit inactive making music in the past few years so it feels good to get two out in such a rapid succession.

    TocarRopa Vieja is the name of the track. It's named after a Canarian dish made from chickpeas, tomato sauce and whatever leftover meat you happen to have at home. I'm no big fan of Spanish cooking overall, but this dish is pretty nice.

    The idea was for the title to reflect the not-so-subtle latin tinge of the song, probably a direct consequence of my recent crush on flamenco singer Camarón de la Isla.

    Please note, I'm not saying that as a cheap way of baiting listeners. The track is in no way similar to Camarón's music. My music is just simple, albeit somewhat schizofrenic, groove-oriented electronic music. I like it, that's why I make it and listen to it. But it's nowhere close to the passion and virtuosity of Camarón.

    Still, feel free to check it out :) It's made exclusively in Modplug Tracker, like my other songs, but I think it's something else than your average tracker music at least.
  • Los Planetas / La Leyenda del Espacio

    Mar 7 2008, 23h50 por Motosierra

    Qué bueno es acercarse a un disco con cierta inocencia! He leído por ahí que en La leyenda del espacio, Los Planetas tomaron parámetros del flamenco para componer sus temas. De hecho, el nombre el album hace alusión al disco de Camarón de la Isla "La Leyenda del Tiempo". Supongo que autoridad no les faltará, en tando hijos del sur de España. Pero como yo en realidad desconozco absolutamente todo lo relativo a la seguramente interesantísima comunidad andaluza, mi mente evita ciertas comparaciones y me permite disfrutar del disco sin buscar algo que ya conozco.

    Desde la primera vez que escuché a Los Planetas supe que era una banda que me gustaría siempre, más allá de ciertas canciones y momentos particulares. La leyenda del espacio, su nuevo disco, me confirma esta idea, a una década de haberla tenido. Lo único malo es la tapa, pero está claro que resulta casi imposible superar las que diseñó Javier Aramburu para sus discos anteriores. Las primeras palabras que escuchamos son las de "El Canto del Bute" donde una voz murmura “Me estoy quedando sin fuerzas / solo espero ya la muerte...” y las últimas vienen del genial "Tendrá que haber un camino", monumental épica de desierto y sal donde oímos, desde la garganta de un gitano: "Y yo prefiero la muerte /antes que seguir allí así. / Otros prefieren quedarse / aunque no puedan vivir."

    ¿Será éste el fin de Los Planetas...? Como sea, La leyenda del Espacio parece un testamento y, en definitiva, nosostros somos los afortunados beneficiarios de la herencia. Canciones como "Reunión en la cumbre" (otra canción con despedidas: "Se ha reunido el comité de expertos / y han decidido que se acabó lo nuestro, / y a mí me habría gustado / haber participado en el proceso.") o el "Alegrías del incendio" presentan el lado más rockero de un disco que en general apela a la hipnosis por levitación. Un disco concentrado y expansivo. Digno del espacio y de su leyenda.
  • Flamenco

    Out 6 2007, 13h35 por SeinundZeit

    Ese grito que nace de las entrañas del corazon y del sentimiento y que rasga el oido del sabio penetrando en el alma, jondo, puro, genuino y sin maquillajes.



    Camarón de la Isla
  • LA LEYENDA DEL TIEMPO

    Set 22 2007, 20h03 por SeinundZeit

    LA LEYENDA DEL TIEMPO
    (Proviene de la obra de teatro "Así que pasen 5 años")

    El sueño va sobre el tiempo
    flotando como un velero.
    Nadie puede abrir semillas
    en el corazón del sueño.
    ¡Ay, cómo canta el alba, cómo canta!
    ¡Qué témpanos de hielo azul levanta!
    El tiempo va sobre el sueño
    hundido hasta los cabellos.
    Ayer y mañana comen
    oscuras flores de duelo.
    ¡Ay, cómo canta la noche, cómo canta!
    ¡Qué espesura de anémonas levanta!
    Sobre la misma columna,
    abrazados sueño y tiempo,
    cruza el gemido del niño,
    la lengua rota del viejo.
    ¡Ay, cómo canta el alba, cómo canta!
    ¡Qué espesura de anémonas levanta!
    Y si el sueño finge muros
    en la llanura del tiempo,
    el tiempo le hace creer
    que nace en aquel momento.
    ¡Ay, cómo canta la noche, cómo canta!
    ¡Qué témpanos de hielo azul levanta!

    Camarón de la Isla
    La Leyenda del Tiempo
  • Gypsy (Roma) ethnical groups (complete)

    Mar 9 2007, 16h50 por VadaniaFlame

    This is a part number two of my journal about Gypsies (Roma). I hope that it will not make you dizzy, but there are really many, MANY Roma communities and it’s quite hard to present them clearly, especially because their names vary and even the same name could be used accordingly to two or more drastically distinct groups. This is not going to be absolutely complete list of Roma communities – this is not a task for one life, but it consists of the most important, significant and interesting groups. Believe me or not but they are many and you’ll find it during reading.

    If you want me to describe some other ones – just let me know and I will try to do my best to help you. OK, now I’m going to do the rest: sth about Roma culture (and music of course) that will be presented in part three.

    Anyway, have a nice reading and let me know if you like it or have any questions.




    There are about 8-10 million Roma people nowadays. More precise estimations are not possible, especially because most of them have no identity documents and isn’t registered at any place. This makes difficult not only estimating the number of Roma people, but also prevents from successful aid projects.

    Most of Roma people live in Central and Eastern Europe. Estimations show, that most of them live in Romania (1,8-2,5 mln; 535 140 – census from year 2002). Second are Spain (600 000-800 000) and Bulgaria (550 000-800 000; 370 908 – census from year 2001), then Slovakia (500 000), Hungary (500 000; 190 046 – census 2001), Russia (182 766; census 2002), Greece (105 899 – census), Albania (70 000 – census), Croatia (67 950; census), Macedonia (53 879 – census 2002), Poland (15 000-50 000), the Ukraine (47 587 – census 2001) and former Bosnia and Hercegovina (17 000). Important groups of Roma exist also in Slovenia, Turkey, Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, Moldova and France, UK, Portugal, USA, Canada. A large group of Indian Gypsies live in Iran, also of Gypsies living on the northern coasts of Africa, descendants of slaves brought to plantations in Brazil and criminals sent to Australia.

    Depending on the country and region it’s possible to distinguish many groups of Roma people. Not always it is possible to name them as clans or family groups. Sometimes these are only groups that found themselves at a certain place after a journey through a number of countries. One of the most important factors that made it possible to Roma people to survive is their ability to use achievements of encountered countries and societies. It is clearly visible when investigating their language, beliefs and music. There are a lot of elements derived from many cultures, but usually used in an unconventional and original, characteristic of Roma way. These elements form differences between Roma groups in various regions and are the reason of existence of a large collection of names for Roma and of Roma descendants groups.

    The biggest group of Roma people is Keldari (Kałderasza, Kalderari, Gelderari), which in Romani means “tinker”. They came from Romania and Moldova, from where they escaped after the slavery period. Part of them moved at the turn of the 20th century to USA, where they were blacksmithing copper, repairing industrial devices (eg. in bakeries, confectioneries and laundries). Many Keldari live today in Poland. This is the “most nomadic” group, that likes to travel, have extensive social and trade contacts. Because of their job, so the tinkery, repairing, covering with protective layer and producing boilers and frying pans Keldari is also one of the richest groups, the more so because their products are today quite popular.

    Keldari were always fighting for the first place with Lovara, Lowari (Romani „horsemen”). Representatives of this community live in Hungary, Romania, Poland, France, Germany, Italy and Greece. Their occupation were horse, mule and donkey breeding and training. The same function were performing till the end of WW1 the emigrants from UK to USA from year about 1850, called Romanichal (Romnichal, Romnichel, Rom’nies). In those times there was a big demand for horses of burden. But with the grow of importance of motor industry, horse and mule breeding started to go downhill. Last of them disappeared in the south of USE about year 1982. Because of such economy trends, Romanichal started to weave baskets, produce and sell rustic furniture and fortune-telling.

    During two migration waves (years 80. of 19th century till 1914 year and second half of the 20th century till 1986 year) many of Roms from various communities came flooding in the USA. Besides of aforementioned Romanichal there were also another groups like Machvaya (Machwaya, Machavaya) from county Matsva in Serbia, that settled themselves in Tucson (Arizona) and Hamilton (Ontario); Ludar from northern-west Bosnia, that were especially the animal trainers (esp. bears and monkeys) and acrobats. In the years 1925-1939 there existed some of Ludar camps in Queens county in New York and in Chicago suburbs. Apart from these groups there was also a little group of people in Pennsylvania called Chikkeners, other called as Black Dutchmen or Germans from Pennsylvania, that matched their origin – they were German Roms. Yet another group came from Russia, settled in New York and was called Rusniakuria. There were also Hungarian Gypsies from Hungary that lived only in Hungarian and Slovakian settlements. Both Rusniakuria and Hungarian Gypsies were musicians.

    Today many of Roma people live in Hungary and that’s why there are so much Hungarian Roma groups. Two most important ones are Boyash and Romungro. Boyasch are descendants of Rudari (Rudars), miners from Romania, also working as gold-diggers and producers of wooden spoons, plates, troughs and spindles. Rudari don’t use Romani language, but Romanian what is also a characteristic for their descendants, wide spread in Europe and both Americas Ludar (Ludari, Lingurari, Blidari) and Boyash (Bayash, Beyash, Banyash, Beás). Rudari were also before miners in Romania, but rather slaves there, forced to renunciation of their own language and use Romanian. Today this kind of Romanian exists in its archaic form – Bojaši, shaped under the strong influence of Hungarian and full of Roma borrowings. What’s particularly interesting in it is that Bojaši didn’t undergo great language reforms of the 19th century, so now it’s a perfect source for comparison of modern and old languages. Also because of language barriers, communication between communities using Bojaši and rest of society is very difficult.

    There are about 140 settlements of Boyash in central Serbia and Montenegro, 30 in historical region of Banat and 7 in region Bačka in Vojvodina. These are mainly estimated data. It is even harder to specify the number of Boyash people, also because of the language problems. It exists a program of teaching Boyash Romanian, but with no significant successes as by now. It’s only possible to learn Boyash in the regions of Banat and Bačka. In year 2004 twenty people were learning Romanian in two institutions. Outside from Hungary and Serbia Boyash form little communities in Croatia and in Bulgaria, where they’re still called Rudari, similar as in Romania, where exists also another name Băeşi. Yet other name is Karavlasi or simply Romanian Gypsies.

    Radically else origin have Romungro, Hungarian Gypsies, in Hungarian Cigány. It is the most significant and oldest Gypsy community in Hungary, that is living there for more than 600 years now. These people are so strongly assimilated with local society, that they’ve lost some of their anthropological characteristics. Romungro uses now only Hungarian language. Traditionally they are musicians and, however they have never caused any problems and live here for so long time, they still are discriminated, both by the rest of society and government. A group that really causes problems is Olassi Cigány (Olah), Roma people who escaped from Romania after the slavery was lifted.

    To groups that inhabit Eastern and Central Europe belong also two other communities, particularly bound with Poland. Besides of already described Keldari and Lowari, in Poland exist also two another groups: Polish upland Gypsies and Polish lowland Gypsies. Other name for Polish upland Gypsies is Polska Roma. In their language there are many words from German, their Surnames are mainly Polish and they sometimes leave for short journeys. Anthropologically and socially they are very close to German and Russian lowland Gypsies. Similarly Polish upland Gypsies are close to Ukrainian and Slovakian Gypsies. Other names for Polish upland Gypsies are Cyganie karpaccy (Gypsies from Carpathian Mountains), Bergitka Roma, Nasi Cyganie (Our Gypsies). Polish upland Gypsies first came to Poland from south in centuries 15-16th and as first Gypsies they decided to lead a settled life. Nowadays this group lives mainly in the regions of Nowy Targ and Nowy Sącz. Their language have many words from Slovakian and Hungarian. Polish upland Gypsies mostly don’t remember and don’t cultivate Roma tradition and that’s why they are usually disrespected by other Roma groups. This group is also considered one of the poorest.

    Very famous, especially because of their rich folklore are Roms from Spain – Gitanos. They reached Europe by traveling along northern coasts of Africa and now live mainly on Iberian Peninsula, in Northern Africa and southern France. Their language is quite specific – it’s Caló (originally Zincaló) with Spanish grammar and Roma words. Caló means dark, calé – dark (as people) and this is the source of another name of Gitanos with rather pejorative flavor: Calé. Caló itself, because some of Gitanos are imprisoned, strongly influenced prison and criminal jargons like Germanía. Also contemporary Spanish slang (eg. Quinquis) draws a lot from Caló. It is a very expressive language, especially because of elongated vowels, what is particularly visible in flamenco cante (singing). Gitanos, in France Gitans and in Italy Zinacrli, were always associated with music and entertainment. Besides, they also have an opinion of perfect breeders and trainers of horses, donkeys and mules.

    Quite big group form Sinti (also: Sinte), named so probably because of their origin in province of Sindh in south of contemporary Pakistan. Nowadays they live mainly in Alsace and other regions of France, also Germany and Austria, where they live since Middle Ages. Previously mainly nomadic, today Sinti are mostly settled. They are divided in two main groups: Eftavagarja (Seven Carvans), that moved to France and assimilated with local Roma communities forming one group Manush; and second group Estraxarja (From Austria), that lives today in Italy, Croatia, Hungary, Transylvania, Czech Republic and Slovakia, where it seized local names. There are many Sinti who are or were famous musicians, like Django Reinhardt and Joe Zawinul.

    Outside of Europe exist many other groups inhabiting Middle East and Northern Africa. Many of them are descendants of groups that stayed in the regions close to India and never led nomadic life. Some of them don’t consider themselves as Roma, like group Aptal from northern Syria, formed mainly of prestidigitators and illusionists. Other Roma communities arrived or more precise: came back to Asian and African regions from Europe, what was with Zargari, who came back to Iran and probably to Russia. Ghagar came to Egypt from Balkans or Hungary and first settled in Dakahlia region in Nile Delta, north from Cairo. Now they live in the cities in winter and form distinct group in Egypt. Men are usually blacksmiths, women are vocalists, they work in tattoo rooms, in circus (as line dancers).

    Another Egyptian group of Roma is Nawar (also: Nuar, Nuri, Nawwar; Arabian blacksmith or fire worshipper). Outside of Egypt they live also in Gaza Strip, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Israel. The group of the same name existed already before 10th century, but there are no proofs for relations between them and contemporary Nawar, that call themselves Dom and use Domari language. In writings there are some mentions about bear trainers from Nawar group living in Europe and America in the 19th century and group that in the year 1976 came to Germany and France through Northern Africa. From Nawar derive Hanager, also living in Egypt, but they take part in criminal organizations and are probably hired as paid murders.

    Radically other occupations have Halebi (also: Helebi; name derives most probably from town Aleppo, today Halab in northern-west Syria), who inhabited Egypt and Libya for ages. Many of them live today in Giza pyramid complex, areas around Cairo, along channels leading to Sakkara, Helwan, Sohag, Qina, Luxor and Asuan. Men trade animals and are veterinarians, women are fortune-tellers. Their language – Sim, is a “camouflaged” Arabian with a very little addition of Romani and Lugha.

    Yet another group is Suzmani from Kurdistan. They live in a Kuchlag village, close to Senna. They are also known as Dummi and are in relation with Duman from Syria. Men are musicians, women – dancers.

    Well, and I think it’s all about Roma (Gypsy) groups for now. There are many, many, many more of them and it is almost always possible to add something about each group or to divide bigger group into smaller ones and these smaller into even smaller ones, like in a fractal. I tried to present only some of the most significant, interesting or specific Roma groups. Some of them are presented only to show that Roma people live today all over the world, usually not as individuals but as groups. It is really interesting to find that such nation could vary in so huge scale. Even more interesting is to find connections between them. And when we’re talking about music – it’s fascinating, that no matter in which part of the world, you know that there is sth Gypsy in the music of any Roma group and it is really expressive.


    A bit of significant Gypsy musicians:

    Django Reinhardt
    Joe Zawinul
    Biréli Lagrène
    Camarón de la Isla
    Remedios Amaya
    Diego el Cigala
    Potito
    Tomatito
    Ketama
    Gipsy Kings
    DON VASYL
    Ando Drom
    Saban Bajramovic
    Boban Markovic Orkestar
    Esma Redzepova
  • History of Gypsies (complete)

    Fev 14 2007, 18h00 por VadaniaFlame

    Some time ago I wrote a kind of thesis about Gypsies. Accordingly to the needs for such article I'm going to translate it into English. This is the first, short fragment about the etymology of names "Gypsy" and "Roma". When I will have a little more time I'll add next parts. Let me know if you like it. Have a nice reading. Ole!

    I added another part - explaining Rom's origins and a bit of legends concerning their lifestyle.

    At last this part of the whole story is complete. Now I'm going to edit part number two - about groups of Roma people and Roma societies. Later I will add yet another part - Roma culture, where will be something more about music, flamenco, eastern and jazz. But now - have a nice time reading this part. If anybody has some questions - no problem. Till the next time.

    Adiós!




    Everything that touches the problem of Gypsies’ origins, their history, tract of migration and evolution as an ethnical group is not clear. Many issues are explained on the base of presumptions, which are mostly unable to confirm. Even the etymology of words Roma or Gypsy remain uncertain. In the language of Roms – in Romani (also Rromani) word “Roma” (“Rroma”) means a “man”, “human” and is most probably a transformed version of Sanskrit “dom” – “human”. And this is the way Gypsies talk about themselves. They usually do not use the word Gypsy, because of its pejorative overtone. But this is the most common name of this nation and appears in similar forms in many European languages. English gypsy or gipsy, french Gitan and spanish Gitano maybe have their origin in „Egiptian” which is a result of quite erroneous belief derived from Middle Ages when people thought that Roms are Egyptians. In Asia Minor Roms were called Athinganoi, which evolved later in Polish Cygan, German and Dutch Zigeuner, Danish Sigøjner, Norwegian Sigøyner, Hungarian Cigány, Romanian ţigani, Croatian Cigani, Czech Cikán, Italian zingari or gitani, Portuguese ciganos and Turkish Çingene, but it is important to notice that both etymologies have something in common. Outside from Europe Roms are called in a diametrically other way: in Iran کولی (Kowli), in India Lambani, Lambadi or Rabari, in Arabian Ghajar غخري or Nawar نوار and in Kurds’ language Qereçí or Dom. Roms and Roma have no connections to Rome, Romans, Roman Empire, Romanesque art, etc.


    Linguistic and genetic investigations show that Roms came from India. About year 250 BC they moved from central India to Punjab (north), where they stayed until about year 1000. The reason why the group that firstly consisted of about 1000 people began a journey, now 32-40 generations long is not clear. A record in Persian kings chronicle from the year about 950 says that there was a good Persian king who concerned for his people and ordered them to spend a half of their free time on parties and alcoholic beverages. But in a short period of time he realized that most of them preferred the second ones. Because there were not enough musicians in Persia to organize so many parties, he decided to ask his neighbor, king of India, to send him 12,000 musicians. Maybe this is the explanation why Roms are so talented in music and why there is a big group of Roms that live in Iran nowadays. Other records and scientific investigations show another possibility. Roms weren’t high in Hindu caste system, so they were subject to recruitment as mercenaries and they took part in restraining the Islam expansion. The other version says though, that Roms were taken captive by the Muslim conquerors of northern India. Probably Mahmud from Ghazni took half a million prisoners captive while the Persian-Turkish invasion on Sindh and Punjab.

    Even bigger puzzle is the question why Roms who abandoned India didn’t return, but started they journey to the west. There are some legends in European culture that describe the origins of Roms, which are bound with the catholic church tradition and whose point was to explain the nomadic lifestyle of Roms to the local settlers. One of them says that Roms-Gypsies were in fact Egyptians who helped Jesus during the slaughter of innocents. When Herod found it out, he ordered to capture Roms. They reacted on it by escaping along the northern coasts of Africa and this way they reached first Giblartar and then Iberian Peninsula.

    Second legend appears in two versions. In first there was a day of Crucifixion and none of all blacksmiths wanted to forge nails to chain Christ to the cross. At last one Rom blacksmith decided to perform this task. But a years later the ghosts of nails started to haunt him and his family and it was the reason why they started their journey – it was an escape from the ghosts. Second version has a more pervert character. Here a Roman soldier asked Rom to forge four nails for the Crucifixion. Blacksmith fulfilled his duty, but at night before Crucifixion he heard a voice saying “that’s my son they’re going to crucify”. So next day, when the soldier came to receive the nails, Rom showed him four forged nails, then he wrapped them in linen and stealthily hid one of them in his pocket. When the soldier walked away, he ran away rapidly. God in reward for his good deed (fourth nail was destined to be plunged into Christ’s heart) allowed Roms (Gypsies exactly) to rob gadje, the non-Gypsies (Gypsy mustn’t rob another Gypsy). This is considered as an explanation of common thefts and makes Gypsies unpunished. But for many of contemporary Rom social workers and Roms such story is a next example of manifestation of discrimination showed by gadje.

    Accordingly to some sources, the eldest European recordings about Roms are from the year about 1100. The Georgian priest who lived in Iberon monastery on the mountain Athos described people from Constantinople, who were “perfect fortune-tellers” and who were called Ahtincanoi or Atzinganoi (this name were bound with one of sects associated with Paulins). There are many documents from XIII and XIV century from many countries of Europe which are evidences for Roms residence there. In year 1322 Franciscan Simeon Simeonis met Roms on Crete. There are some writings from years 1348 and 1362 that mention about Czingarije in Serbia and Croatia. But most probably Roms arrived to Europe before year 1100. It’s very possible that they served local people as blacksmiths or were mercenaries in Turkish army. This explains large number of them in the lands subordinate to Turkey and in Hungary and Romania. In the year 1424 Roms were in Germany, in XVI century in Scotland and Sweden. Part of Roms emigrated from Persia and by traveling along northern coasts of Africa arrived to Spain (XV century). Both groups of migrants met in France and lot of them got acclimatized there.

    Only in few places and only at the beginning Roms didn’t experience humiliation and repressions from the inhabitants of the countries they passed. Firstly occupations of Roms were mainly tinker, trade, horse breeding, fortune-telling and making music. And the same’s today, but nowadays there is sometimes also criminal activity in addition. This is the following of the situation that happened in the Middle Ages. Roms were in some way dependent from the local people. When they had a job, they were able to maintain themselves, but it wasn’t always possible to find it and then they were forced to rob. The tradition of families with many children just made it worse. In addition settlers didn’t accept their nomadic lifestyle and their attitude towards new people that used strange for them language and practiced fortune-telling. Later came times of Inquisition when all magical practices were strictly banned. Adding to this the fact that Roms worshipped Black Sarah, servant of Jesus’ aunts, that is not recognized as saint by catholic church, it's easy to imagine the full vision of persecutions. But these times weren’t worst for Roms. Step by step the attitude of society towards them were getting worse and worse. Their situation was best in England where existed an edict allowing them to free traveling through the country and describing as non-wanders. The same time Spanish Gitanos together with survivors of Moors and Jews hid in mountains, where they started forming flamenco.

    In Poland Roms first appeared in Cracow (1401 year). And in fact they were doing quite well there as rich merchants with waybills. But this situation changed after repressions of Roms in the western Europe and with the flow of fugitives, especially from Germany in 16th century. It was the time from which come first complaints and notes about incidents in which Roms had participated. Roms’ situation in Poland changed again after Constitution from the year 1791, where it was said that Roms have normal citizenship and can lead nomadic life with no restrictions. In Prussia and Silesian duchies Roms were constantly constrained, in the best case they have been only driven off, but in most situations they were imprisoned for life sentence without trials (also with no documented offences, just because they are Gypsies). Between 16th century and year 1856 Roms in Moldova, Wallachia and Transylvania were treated as slaves, cached and sold on markets. After year 1856 it was common to force them to stop traveling, assimilate them with local communities, imprisoning, sterilizing women and seizing children, which were later brought up by gadje.

    Then came the Second World War period. In Nuremberg Laws stand that Gypsies (so the Roma people) are impure and similarly as Jews, they were the object for extermination. In this way begun the Roma Holocaust – Porajmos (Porrajmos). Estimations shows that this time died about 300,000 to 500,000 Roms, which was the half of they worldwide population that time. They were closed in ghettos together with Jews and taken away to Oświęcim (Auschwitz), Majdanek, Treblinka and Chełmno. There were also organized local death camps. Whole families and houses, caravans and Roma societies were exterminated. But in opposition to Jews, Roma people didn’t have any government and first today they could receive compensations for that times.

    Before WW2 Roms were brought together with Blacks to Brazil as slaves to work on plantations or with criminals to Australia. In the end of 19th century and after WW2 many Roms from Eastern Europe moved to the USA.

    First in recent years Roms gained more importance as an ethnical minority, unfortunately because of problems bound with them. Nowadays Roms are traveling mainly because of the same reasons as before: they can’t find a place for calm live, a steady work, friendly environment, etc. In the year 1971 close to London took place the first World Congress of Roma People, where Roma anthem and flag where approved. Also a World Roma People Union – Romani Unia was brought into existence, which obtained a law to have a diplomatic post in UN. Next Congresses took place in Geneva (1978) and Göttingen (1981), where UN where asked to consider as a distinct nation and treat as a rightful ethnic minority. Fourth Congress took place near Warsaw at the main theme was to standardize the Romani language and the election of president – Rom from former Yugoslavia, Rajko Djuric. Since year 1993 Romani Unia is member-observer in UN.

    In year 2005 started the project Decade for Roma People in Europe, that will terminate in year 2015. Eight countries are participating in it: Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Republic of Macedonia, Romania, former Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia and Hungary. The aim of project is to improve social and economical status and diminish the discrimination of Roma people in this countries. This is also the first international European program for Roma people life improvement.


    A bit of significant Gypsy musicians:

    Django Reinhardt
    Joe Zawinul
    Biréli Lagrène
    Camarón de la Isla
    Remedios Amaya
    Potito
    Tomatito
    Gipsy Kings
    DON VASYL
    Ando Drom
    Saban Bajramovic
    Boban Markovic Orkestar
    Esma Redzepova
  • "Jóvenes flamencos": how it happenned, what it brought to us

    Fev 4 2007, 14h01 por Nillo86

    Back at the time when I wrote this post inspired by Ketama, barewires asked me to develop on the subject. I have made an attempt to structure my memories from 10 years ago, when I fell in love with flamenco. And this is what this post will be about, and I will not pretend to give accurate details such as dates and so on. For real flamenco history, I recommend that you visit sites such as this one http://www.esflamenco.com/enindex.html or many others that you will find easily by typing the word in any search engine.

    The revolution of what in the nineties got the name of "Jóvenes Flamencos" is nothing but a natural evolution of traditional flamenco music exposed to other western music styles, which peak took place in the 90`s.

    I discovered flamenco with the film "Flamenco" by film maker Carlos Saura. I strongly recommend it to understand how it all happened and, what follows in the post really can be seen there, together with dancing, essential for full understanding of this genre.

    It can be said that the impulse of flamenco to new sounds took place in the voice and guitar playing of Camarón de la Isla and Paco de Lucía, executed by a very wise, business and artist oriented father of Paco.

    They released many albums to be quoted here, but I recommend to get hold of Potro de Rabia y Miel, from 1990 to get an insight of the achievement of the musical work of these two artists.

    They played regularly together until late 1970's, and occasionally returned to play together, as the above mentioned album proves. Paco de Lucía streched his knowledge to jazz setting up Paco de Lucía Sextet, originally made up of Jorge Pardo on flute and soprano sax, Carles Benavent on threadless bass, Rubem Dantas on percussion - by the way, this is THE GUY that, together with Paco, made a place of the Cajón Flamenco in the music, an instrument they discovered in Perú during their tours -, Pepe de Lucía on "cante" (singing), Ramón de Algeciras second guitar - these two, brothers of Paco -, and Jaquín Grilo on dance/percussion.

    In the meantime, Camarón got together with Tomatito, yet another talent from Almería which nowadays works with jazzmen such as Michel Camilo.

    Also at this time, Pata Negra, a band lead by the brothers Raimundo Amador and Rafael Amador, started exploring flamenco and rock&roll. While less intellectual, their music really rocked. It is really worthwhile to check out the documentary "El Ángel" to understand the role of the Amador family in flamenco, and also explore the gipsy culture. It simply fantastic, and unveals a view of their habits which not even most Spaniards are aware of.

    For those who do not know, flamenco music belongs to the Spanish gipsies, which have a (very strong) culture of their own.

    Meanwhile, other artists such as Manolo Sanlucar, Carmen Linares, Enrique de Melchor, Jose Mercé with guitarist Moraito and a long lists of etceteras were doing some excellent work. Most visible was that of Lole y Manuel, a duet and matrimony which Lole's beautiful voice took as far as to record an album with the Spanish National Orchestra. A song from this recording can be heard in Tarantino's soundtrack of Kill Bill.

    In 1992, Camarón passed away. The nostalgy and love for what he represented put upside down the flamenco world, and the "Jóvenes Flamencos" emerged with great passion. At this stage, it is crucial to mention Ketama, which incorporated salsa rhythms and pop styles to flamenco.

    Bailaores (dancers) evolved at the same time. Check out the dancing of Antonio Canales, Sara Baras or Eva la Yerbabuena (use youtube for this). All of them supported by bands which included the popular singers like Potito, Duquende, guitarists such as Gerardo Nunez...

    I would like to also mentioned the only band that joint the revolution not with pop, rock or jazz, but with Middle Eastern and North African styles;Radio Tarifa.

    I could list an endless list of other great artists from the 90's, but let me now mention what has consolidated in the 2000.

    In this decade, the euphoria that surrounded Jovenes Flamencos has calmed down, and in fact bands such as Ketama have finally split. Fernando Trueba's film http://www.calle54film.com/ Calle 54 has relaunched some artists by putting together them with other musicians. Check out Grammy's winner Bebo & Cigala, a duet interpreting traditional (non flamenco) songs with cuban piano playing by Bebo Valdés, and flamenco singing by Diego el Cigala. Also check out the artwork from jazz pianist Chano Domínguez, supported by sidemen such as dancer and singer Tomasito or percussionist El Piraña.

    So what was all this Jóvenes Flamencos about? Well, it has finally overcome the embarrassment that many Spaniards had about this music style - it was thought of as old fashion -, and created great new musical mixes, exporting them to the whole world, and has also captured attention of great jazz musicians such as Chick Corea, John McLaughlin, to mention only a few.

    It is also great to check out, via last.fm, the impact of this musical revolution in the popular Spanish bands such as Chambao, Bebe, or Ojos de Brujo, as well as to see that most of our top local bands in Spain, clearly insinuate the soul from the "Jóvenes Flamencos".

    Let me also drop you a three videos from youtube, all from Carlos Saura's film Flamenco.

    First, what flamenco was all about before, bulerías de Jerez "por fiesta"



    What Farruco tought to Farruquito his son, hence how flamenco survives to generations



    And what the Jóvenes Flamencos resulted in