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veyita_88 escreveu:
Both Iommi and Rhoads are among the best guitar players of all time.But i think is unfair to compare them.Rhoads carreer was very short,and he died so young.I mean,at 23 years old he already showed impressive skils in Blizard of Ozz.We can´t never know how good he could be with time.
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veyita_88 escreveu:
And im sorry,but Tony is not and has never been a guitar player for Ozzy.He founded Black Sabbath,then he recruited Ozzy and the crew.Neither was Randy,because Ozzy wanted to name the band Blizzard of Ozz,at that point it was still a band,not Ozzy and his "players",as Randy was also a main songwritter.
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veyita_88 escreveu:
Tony show his skills with his riffs,he doesn´t need to go all technical,he was more about playing great iffs and his solos have a lot of feeling and are so pleasant to listen.He alwways came up with a great riff.So yeah,maybe they are far more skilled guitar players as far as technique goes,but few could write riffs and songs like him,even to these days (as you can listen in The devil you know) and even i can play songs like Iron Man,or NIB.But very,very few guitar players can actually come up with riffs as memorable or powerful.
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Underwater171 escreveu:
That's not what i said. I said he's not so skilled as many of Sabbath fans state, and that Randy vs Tony was just another statement, as i see'em both as Ozzy's most... hmm... Remarkable guitar players? Cant express my thoughts straight, sry.
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somemusicdude escreveu:
If you don't think Tony's riffs were a vital part of the band, you're fucking crazy.
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Underwater171 escreveu:
Wich doesnt takes out the credit of the other members, as they were a group and nothing less.
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Underwater171 escreveu:
And if you ask me, i don't think Tony is nothing great... In MY opinion, Geezer was the head of the band, and Ozzy it's soul.
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Underwater171 escreveu:
That's not the point.
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somemusicdude escreveu:
What the fuck does Randy Rhoads have to do with Black Sabbath? Randy Rhoads playing Tony Iommi songs doesn't quite do them justice. Tony Iommi is better for Black Sabbath and Randy Rhoads was better for Ozzy Osbourne. Completely different bands with different styles. Black Sabbath would have sucked with Randy Rhoads and Tony Iommi would probably suck playing Ozzy Osbourne songs.
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Underwater171 escreveu:
Also, Randy Rhoads > Tony.
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Underwater171 escreveu:
A national acrobat gives me a boner everytime i listen to it.
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veyita_88 escreveu:
I think that the fact that Ozzy wasn´t as technically good as singers like,Gillan,Dio,Plant,etc also made them different,you know,kind of gave them that working class band sound.With Dio,who was much more polished, they not only changed the singer but adapted the sound to fit with him,either if it was intentional,natural progression or they just had chemistry.But it wasn´t the same with Gillan and Martin in my opinion,it didn´t worked as well to me.I still think that while Dio sings well the Ozzy songs,precisely the fact that he has an operatic and dramatic style make them sound quite odd compared to the raw and nasal voice of Ozzy,that´s why i listen more often the Heaven and Hell live records,when they stuck only into Dio material.Ozzy did had a lot of attitude too,to me that sometimes is more important,some of my favourite singers are not that good or not even good technically anyway,like Tom Warrior,Lemmy,Paul di Anno,Cronos,among others,but are tough as fuck.
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veyita_88 escreveu:
Yeah i know,but i think that is not enough to call somebody an idiot or that his opinion is idiotic or whatever.And i agree ,we cant´ know how Sabbath would be without Ozzy,but neither without Geezer or Ward,so all were important,and without Ozzy,they don´t sound the same..He was an important member of the band,he contributed with songs as far as i know,for example he wrotte the song Black Sabbath.He wasn´t a mere good frontman (wich is not that easy) he was quite iconic,you know,why do you think they used him in the cover of vol.4? he was kinda like the image of the band (while Iommi was like the main chief,everyone have said that,if Iommi didn´t made anything,nobody did) not only because he was the singer because he had charisma,and was mad as fuck.And i do think that he is a good singer at what he did,because he did it the job right.Even if technicaly he isn´t too much doesn´t matter.
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KeIemvor escreveu:
veyita_88, you seem to often miss the point of a discussion. Nobody here was denying that Ozzy's voice fits the best to their 70s output. Of course it does since he was the original singer. The point is that Ozzy was certainly NOT the most important member of the band (like Metalistruth claimed), that he contributed almost nothing to the songwriting. And technically as a singer he just isn't exactly good, anyone must admit that. So what's left than? Okay, he was a good frontman, but that isn't much, is it? And nobody can tell if Sabbath wouldn't have been as or even more successful with another singer than Ozzy back in the 70s. To say they're only famous because of Ozzy is completely ludicrous.
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veyita_88 escreveu:
And Black Sabbath sound came together as a band,Geezer,Ward,Ozzy,all.While the most important member will always be Tony,Ozzy did helped to get the distinctive sound of the 70´s,see the way he sings in Black Sabbath,Electric Funeral,for example,is just NOT the same with Dio,Gillan or Martin,despite how superior they may be.Ozzy had a creepy and distinctive voice compared to the bluesy style of Gillan or Plant´s overly sexual style,just to name a few,it helped to make them sound even darker.Also his voice was natural and had a good sense of flowing,he often sang about subjects that he was going throught like in Megalomania,in my opinion one of the best vocal performance in metal.As much as i like Dio,for example,or Gillan,wich are some of my favourite singers of all time,i think that Black Sabbath early stuff always sounded better with Ozzy.
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veyita_88 escreveu:
I guess calling other people idiots make people take you seriously.Damn,there are some neurotic people here.Ozzy for me was the perfect singer for early Sabbath,just like Paul di Anno was the perfect singer for early Maiden.Is NOT the same to listen to the first Maiden album songs with Bruce Dickinson,no matter how superior he is or whatever,those songs sounded better with Paul immo.Because Paul had a different raw energy,and for example,Killers (the song) just sound much better with his raspy punk voice.Guess some people can´t see beyond technical proficiency or whatever.
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super_ruben09 escreveu:
I love Ozzy and I do believe he was best suited for those early Sabbath releases, but to say that Dio singing Ozzy era songs would sound like 'a joke' is far from true.
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KeIemvor escreveu:
Metalistruth is clearly an idiot. "Had Ozzy never been in Sabbath, they never would have got their distinct sound" That's even more stupid than the other comment. Ozzy didn't even contribute in the songwriting, so he didn't influence their sound. The "dark feel" is coming from the riffs, not from Ozzy. Ozzy's solo material doesn't sound dark either. "Also, Ozzy's vocal had more personality than other Sabbath vocalists" His voice is rather unique, that's true, but that's all really. And no Ozzy was never a great singer, he was decent at best in the 70s.
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TheJudasMaster escreveu:
Gillan and Dio > Ozzy.
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ZombiePlague26 escreveu:
Metaliistruth is right. Also, Ozzy's vocal had more personality than other Sabbath vocalists. Dio is great at what he does but he isn't Sabbath. [2]
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Metalistruth escreveu:
Kelemvor is clearly a troll. Had Ozzy never been in Sabbath, they never would have got their distinct sound. I can accept that Iommi is sabbath. But without Ozzy the dark feel never would have been their, imagine Dio singing "black sabbath" or "war pigs" sorry but it would sound like a joke. Dio is great at what he does but he isn't Sabbath.
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ZombiePlague26 escreveu:
"Ozzy just happened to be their singer, and a crappy one at that." LOL. He's a crappy singer NOW, not back in 70's. Out of Sabbath' vocalists, Ozzy's vocal fit the best with T. Iommi's riffs.
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MikeySchenker escreveu:
Lol
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KeIemvor escreveu:
It's funny how about the first 10 years or so of metal aren't "metal" enough for some people. Saying early Sabbath isn't metal is like saying Chuck Berry isn't rock. [2] A lot of people think they can justify virtually every claim with "it's my opinion", but that's not how it works. At least no one will ever take you any serious, if you can't backup your claims with proper arguments. It's kind of in a way like religious people saying god created the world.
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KeIemvor escreveu:
"Ozzy is black sabbath. without him there is no sabbath." One of the most idiotic comments ever and it always pops up again. TONY IOMMI is Sabbath and will always be. Ozzy just happened to be their singer, and a crappy one at that. He can easily be replaced, but you can't replace the Riffmaster himself.
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somemusicdude escreveu:
It's funny how about the first 10 years or so of metal aren't "metal" enough for some people. Saying early Sabbath isn't metal is like saying Chuck Berry isn't rock.
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Metalistruth escreveu:
Ozzy is black sabbath. without him there is no sabbath. With DIo is became light sabbath, although what they released with Dio was pure magic
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Thrashgrinder escreveu:
Black Sabbath > Ozzy Era.
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Vianouzz escreveu:
Black Sabbath were just perfect. You cannot find music this good nowadays...
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robsonyoroku escreveu:
Black Sabbath > Everything else ever [3]
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Politeuskalhori escreveu:
Black Sabbath > Everything else ever [2]
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Sentenzia22 escreveu:
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Oslojed escreveu:
Years with Dio And Martin-best!!!
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DrianIommi escreveu:
42 years now since the debut was released, and it's still one of the finest albums in rock/metal history [4]
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clauxd93 escreveu:
You introduced me to my mind and left me watching you and you kind.
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KeithJones escreveu:
42 years now since the debut was released, and it's still one of the finest albums in rock/metal history [3]
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g3tyousuM escreveu:
Don't believe the life you have will be the only one!
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robsonyoroku escreveu:
42 years now since the debut was released, and it's still one of the finest albums in rock/metal history. [2]
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Rhapsody93 escreveu:
BLACK SABBATH, PARANOID & MASTER OF REALITY they are all the BEST! No preference.
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octopuss22 escreveu:
On this day 42 years ago, heavy metal was born.
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super_ruben09 escreveu:
42 years now since the debut was released, and it's still one of the finest albums in rock/metal history.
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Tvrek escreveu:
Black Sabbath > Master of Reality [2]
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achujwie escreveu:
Master of Reality > Black Sabbath
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robsonyoroku escreveu:
Lars, Lombardo? LOL Ward >>>
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Dommieblues escreveu:
Black Sabbath > Everything else ever
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veyita_88 escreveu:
Im sure Lars will be the first to be volunteer,but will be rejected,like when he wanted to drum in Deep Purple.
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Xenthrax escreveu:
They should call that guy Lars from Metallica.
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schism66 escreveu:
I hope its not ozzys drummer from faith no more..mike bordin, he's ok. But he won't fit.
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veyita_88 escreveu:
Oh this kids,they can´t get along as always.What a shame,now i guess who will be the drummer.
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Psychorizon escreveu:
Check out some of the latest news: http://psychorizon.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/black-sabbath-further-news/
