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superandy escreveu:

oh and uzi, classic linux user I have to say. classic snobbish linux user there. you can always tell people people say linux, as opposed to their distro. if they said ubuntu, or suse, or (heaven forbid) gentoo, then they just wouldn't sound as nerdy and awkward, would they.

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superandy escreveu:

I am just going with what musicbrainz and picard hit me with. Displays fine in Windows 7, I am happy.

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wubdidu escreveu:

Hmm, is it possible to display the runes in the default font of Vista? Installing JUnicode doesn't work. Maybe... appending JUnicode to the default Vista font or something..?

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Raremann escreveu:

Damn i write to fast to se stupid erors:P

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Raremann escreveu:

so uzi we actualy agree, they use Týr for simpler use on the web and so people can understand it, i use ᛏᛣᚱ caus i understand it and tinks its the "right" way. what last.fm should do is just combine it so that both versions went into the same profile. And my english might have bad spelling sometimes but I dont write or speak english normaly cause Im Norwegian. Sorry for not posting the runic explanation before but its was kind of hectic when I wrote the last time:P Btw many asian bands is actualy scrobled with theyr alphabet in here even if you wite their name in latin letters.

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uzi666 escreveu:

[continued] Still, I must say it warms my heart to see runes here and there, but I'm perfectly happy to see our band name written in the Latin alphabet as well. On a completely different note; Imagein the horror of looking us up on google if we only wrote in runes?! The runes we use for our logo are the last variation of the runes, called medieval runes, and there the Ý is as we write it. For a thorough explanation on the runes in question, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_runes Vinarliga, Heri [end of Heri's letter] So, basically, everything is up to your personal choice. Maybe go along with the democracy (30,000 people tag them as Týr, only 101 in runes)? You choose. I admit I've done too little research on runes, sorry for that. Peace.

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uzi666 escreveu:

So, behold, here follows the direct reply from Heri (split into two parts, as the shoutbox limit is too low, and devoid of line breaks): Hi Paweł, Sorry, I don't have time to sign up to give a reply, so I'm going to ask you to post this for me, Paweł, if you don't mind, thanks very much :-) When writing in English, or any language in the Latin alphabet for that matter, it makes perfect sense to write the band name Týr in the Latin alphabet also. Anything else would be too troublesome to ask of people. There are Russian bands also, and in Russia I'm sure they write their name in the cyrillic alphabet, but we in western Europe can't be expected to do that, can we? Same thing with Asian bands. And those languages are alive and well. Old Norse is long gone, but it fortunately developed into five different modern languages, of which Faeroese is one. So my opinion: don't bother with runes when writing in the Latin alphabet anyway.

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uzi666 escreveu:

Well, Raremann, you are basically saying that you know better, but without actually providing much of an argument. I really can't argue with this, especially if it's expressed in poor English with a lot of typos. But trying to answer your accusations: I use Linux and I have no problem with the fonts and/or charset. I've seen the band's concert gear with the name handwritten as 'Týr' (even not accompanied by the runic logo), where absolutely nothing would prohibit the use of runic characters. No one 'forced' them to use the Latin alphabet name in booklet text pieces. I don't know which 'that time' you are referring to, and I guess it's irrelevant: the band members are probably wise enough to notice that Old Norse and all other languages using runic alphabet are long dead and there's not much sense in writing their name in this script. But OK, I've just written an email to the band's management, let them judge.

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Rachsucht escreveu:

What is the right font to display this writing in my Itunes/PC?

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Raremann escreveu:

uzi: you ar way of on the rune front. the middle rune can mean Y. Depends what era you are looking at so the runes is correct. I know both elder and younger norwegian futhark by mind so I know this, and since the faroe islands was Norwegian at that time they have the same variations. there aint just a few runic alphabets. only in Norway there has been over 10 different versions. And they have been forced to use Týr since windows dont support without you fixing it. So stop badmouthing them when you dont know it yourselfe

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Kerros escreveu:

Yeah, uzi666 pretty much has it spot on.

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Maelkoch escreveu:

Yah, what uzi666 said.

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uzi666 escreveu:

The logo ISN'T the name, it REPRESENTS the name in different alphabet. On their website, booklets (in text pieces of course) and even concert gear (eg. cymbals case) they write the name with Latin alphabet as Týr. And actually the runes in question DON'T say 'Týr'. The middle rune ᛣ is Calc and belongs to Anglo-Saxon Futhorc, so it can't be used in any Scandinavian language; moreover it represented 'k' sound. A similar glyph is Younger Futhark version of Yr rune – ᛦ – but again it's a consonant (some kind of 'r'), not a vowel. A proper vowel to put there could be ᚢ Ur, I'm not sure. So I may agree with someone that tags his music as ᛏᚢᚱ, but not ᛏᛣᚱ. The latter is just a stylish way to represent modern latin letters 'T', 'ý', and 'r' that compose the proper name of the band.

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Levittoux escreveu:

you can get medieval fonts (also runes) from this site http://junicode.sourceforge.net/

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Raremann escreveu:

Revontulisointi: Ehm, the logo is their name, The runes says Týr so Týr is just the translation for people who cant manage to fiks the font. Their hompage says Týr because of the same thing, not all their fans have the runic font and people who just found them dont have it either. So they made it easy for people to read their page by using Týr.

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thee_darcy escreveu:

No, it's written in a different alphabet. Semantics ftw!

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uzi666 escreveu:

Just to clear things up a little: don't blame the operating system per se for the boxes and questionmarks. This is a matter of the font, which may or may not cover the runic range in UTF (as Lazhur smartly pointed out, but it needs to be repeated IMHO). Under MS Windows the pages are displayed with Arial or Verdana, which lacks runic support, hence the mojibake. On a Linux box without msttcorefonts installed, these are replaced by Helvetica or Free Sans, the latter displaying it all properly. So although it is all Microsoft's fault, this time it's underdevelopment of Verdana rather than everyone's favourite OS. And on the runic tag itself: here it's the matter of one's personal views. Official last.fm artist names include the likes of KoЯn and :wumpscut: which include logo-like features. The best idea would be server-side merging of artists ᛏᛣᚱ and Týr; aside from that there is the K.I.S.S. principle which in this case clearly supports the 'Týr' tagging.

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Revontulisointi escreveu:

This is the band's logo, not their name. Vote for the correct name, which is Týr.

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