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  • The Official Guideline Booklet

    Introduction


    This is a guide for an average wiki on Last.Fm and what it should look like after you have edited it. All issues of the ‘dos’ and ‘don’ts’ will be updated every time something pops up or changes.

    This is the first version of the guide which will have all my opinions on what not and what to implement. After, when you have read the guideline, that you feel there is a missed out point or one is too harsh then you can discuss this in this forum.

    Prologe


    At first when you go on the wiki page of an artist be sure to spot the pros and cons, also what would you implement to make it better. This will naturally (with any wrong information, misspell, grammar correction etc) come into your mind without a thought but just if it doesn’t this is what you shouldn’t be thinking.

    I am going to change this wiki, so my username will be on the ‘recent history’ of the artist – Quite frankly, I am astounded by idiots, (excuse for the language) when I go around on my daily editcore routine, to find them just changing a space or nothing at all. So, that all they wanted is their username to be noticed. This is called Vandalism which is explained here. If you see anyone doing this, report them with as much information to one of the Mods; especially if their changing something within these guidelines, which was correct out from the break, to fit their ‘noticing needs’.

    However, think open-mindedly about the changes which you implement. That it will change the infringement of the description for the better, it will make sense for whoever is reading it and most importantly tell you the bare bones of the information required.



    Chapter 1: Intro-line and Overview



    Firstly, in the first few sentences of the wiki there should not be a word that isn’t the artist’s name. (Unless if there are multiple artists sharing the name, this will be explained later) It should have, of what I call, an ’Intro Line’.

    Example 1: [*b]Lisa Germano[*/b] is a multi-instrumentalist, singer, writer and arranger from Mishawaka, Indiana.

    This is a prime example of what it should look like, then it should have an overview of the artists musical capabilities and influences if possible.

    Example 2: [*b]Lisa Germano[*/b] is a multi-instrumentalist, singer, writer and arranger from Mishawaka, Indiana. She uses a violin as her signature instrument and blends that with the patterns on drums, shredding on guitars and chaotic singing. She draws most of her influences from [*artist]Bob Dylan[*/artist] and [*tag]Rock ‘n’ Roll[*/tag]..

    This gives the reader a sense of her/his/their work before going into the details within the descriptive wiki. Ending this section, the artist concerned with in this wiki should be in Bold Type in the first mentioning of the name. After, it is strongly recommended that variations of words should be used, instead of using the name over and over again. However, if it is non-avoidable, it must be then in bold type again. This is for recognition to the reader that it isn’t another artist or not to be scanned over too lightly. In saying this, the other artists who are mentioned within this wiki should not be in bold, as their place to be noticed is within their own wiki area.

    Written on: 9/5/08


    Chapter 2: Tagging and Factbox


    Secondly, the Factbox a new implement by Last.Fm which have left confusion with users and even me alike. The first point which should be taken into account is that the factbox should be completed in one go. Example: All of the band members and past member’s together, not just a few members implemented within the factbox. Because then this is wrong.

    Second point, is that if the official website is within the factbox try and put it in BBcode or in the source box. For me, I like everything to be neat and tidy within a wiki information description. So, if there is loads of links around everywhere, it’s not encouraged. Except I do however, like if it’s an unnoticed link. This can be put at the end with the required BBcode format to make it within the factbox, but it is not encouraged to put ‘Official Website’ in massive writing to make it stand out. No, I am testing at the moment whether to leave it out all together and just put it within the sources box or to have it with no indication to the link, so it looks neat and tidy.

    The second instalment in this chapter is tagging. Tagging is very important for the Wiki description as it gives the reader quick links to various directions to the site or external links (within BBcode). First point with tagging is not to Overtag the Wiki. This gives it a linkage overload and just makes it horrible to view and read. Quick second points are that the tagging should work within BBcode and not expand out (so basically check the format is correctly done). So, to get an Satisfactory Wiki or above, more relevant and better tagging should be placed.

    External Tagging: This is alright to implement; say if a label is stated, it is encouraged to implement it’s website within BBcode so that the reader can click on that link to get more of the labels information and artists. However, with this, if Last.Fm have already got a page with a label on (which they do nearly all of) it is best to tag it normally to that, rather than external links. Also, only link them once within the Wiki, even if the label is named twice or more in the description.

    Written on: 8/5/08

    Chapter 3: Multi-Artist Wiki’s and format used


    Multi-artist wikis are a massive problem of what to do. To be frank, this is where users are critical with Last.Fm’s professionalism towards the wiki description area. The Multi-artist wikis are under several different introlines (which were explained earlier) come into the description.

    Examples:

    1) There are at least two (three, four etc.) artists that have used this name:

    2) There is more than one artist with this name:

    3) There are several metal bands called *******:

    4) The name ******* belongs to several groups.

    5) There are multiple artists with this name ****.

    There is a problem with all of these known introlines and they are that the users don’t have a clue which one is the most professional and readable. The one that is a format which have been used within this guideline is that of the 5th one. This one has a much more expansive introline than the rest (which narrow the number of artists down). As Last.Fm says that All artists should be recognised in the wiki description, it can be said that an expansive introline is best for the rules and FAQ of Last.Fm regulations.

    Then it’s the trouble of the aftermath of this introline. The format that is often used is this one:

    Example:
    [*b]1) Artist[*/b] is a
    [*b] 2) Artist [*/b] was a
    [*b] 3) Artist [*/b] is

    This goes on until the artists which are known to be making music with this name are listed. This abides by the rules and regulations from Last.Fm current written formulae. However, many users often stray from this formal and professional formula, which gives the non-professionalism of the site as readers view the different ways that wikis are formatted. So, the most professional format is this:

    There are multiple artists with the name Artist:

    1) Artist is a band from USA.

    2) Artist was a band from Liverpool, UK.

    3) Artist are a fiver-piece band from Texas, USA.

    Written on: 13/5/08


    This will be updated chapter by chapter, hopefully everyday.

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    • kander1 disse...
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    • Jun 24 2008, 8h20

    Re: The Official Guideline Booklet

    Hi Meldoicstorm,

    I've taken the liberty to copyedit your guideline booklet. My goal was to keep the message the same while ensuring the text is more pleasant to read. I've toned down what you describe as 'harsh' points quite a bit - no need to call people idiots when they're obviously taking the effort to read this guide :)

    About this Guide
    This guide aims to provide guidelines when editing an Artist wiki on Last.FM. Following these simple bits of advice should lead to, at least, an average-rated wiki page. It covers some of the most common pitfalls, and tells you how to avoid them. Should situations occur that this guide does not yet account for, it shall be updated at some point.

    When, after reading this guideline, you feel that there is an important point left out or that some advice is too harsh, feel free to raise the point in this forum.

    Introduction
    Before beginning the editing process, take a moment to reflect on why it is you want to edit this page. Is it simply because you want your name to appear in the 'Last Edited By:' field, or do you really want to improve Last.FM? In the former case, please reconsider - it only makes the moderator's job more difficult. Changing just a space, or even nothing at all, is considered Vandalism and is frowned upon. Should you come across someone engaging in such behaviour, please consider reporting them to one of the moderators.

    Do keep an open mind on the changes you implement. If the changes you implement infringe on the guidelines provided here, but do substantially improve the quality of the wiki - go for it!

    Chapter 1: Intro-line and Overview
    The first sentence should start with the artist's name and a very short description of the kind of music he/she makes. This first line is called an ’Intro Line’. One important thing to keep in mind when writing your intro line is that the Last.Fm client software displays the first paragraph, including your intro line, when playing music for the artist who's page you are editing. In order to provide a visual cue you are to mark the artist's name in bold upon first mention - this helps to indicate the subject of the text.

    Example 1: [*b]Lisa Germano[*/b] is a multi-instrumentalist, singer, writer and arranger from Mishawaka, Indiana.

    This line can then be expanded upon to complete what is known as the Overview. After reading the overview, your reader should have at least a basic idea of what he/she can expect when listening to this artist. A good example of an overview, expanding upon the intro line shown above, is the following:

    Example 2: [*b]Lisa Germano[*/b] is a multi-instrumentalist, singer, writer and arranger from Mishawaka, Indiana. She uses a violin as her signature instrument and blends that with the patterns on drums, shredding on guitars and chaotic singing. She draws most of her influences from [*artist]Bob Dylan[*/artist] and [*tag]Rock ‘n’ Roll[*/tag]..

    When continuing after the first line it is strongly recommended that you vary in how you refer to the artist, instead of using their name over and over again. If you use the name of the artist again later in the article, please mark it with bold again - this signals to the reader that it is not another artist, but does carry some importance. Other artists should be marked with the [*artist] tag, which will help them stand out visually.

    Written on: 9/5/08, copyedited on 24/06/08

    Chapter 2: Tagging and Factbox
    The Factbox is a tool that provides a list of basic facts regarding an artist on the bottom-right of the artist bio page, distilled from the wiki page. You add information to the fact box by surrounding phrases in the wiki page with special tags. An important point is that you should either aim for completely filling the facts, or completely don't - for example, if you mark only a few bandmembers then the information would technically be incorrect.

    Take special care when adding the official website. Having links all over the page can be visually cluttering, and it is recommended to keep things tidy together. One good technique is simply placing the official website in the Sources area, surrounding it with the proper tagging so it will show up in the fact box as the official site.

    The second part of this chapter is about tagging. Tagging is an important part of editing a wiki, as it provides the reader with quick links to various parts of the site or external links, all related to the artist he/she is reading about. A major point to consider when tagging is to avoid overdoing it. When a page is full of links going everywhere, it becomes harder to read, and the added value of a link is pretty much lost. Rather, try and link only the most important keywords.
    An obvious but often-forgotten point is that the tagging should be done in correct BBcode style. If it is not, then the tag will be visible the text itself. Please use the Preview feature offered, and give your edit a careful read-through before submitting it. It saves you from the embarrasment of having to edit your own mistake :)

    External linking should be done with moderation - most of the time, a suitable internal link would suffice just as well. A good example of this are labels. If a particular label is not yet represented on Last.FM using the [*label] tag, then you can consider linking to their website instead. The former is, of course, preferable.

    Written on: 8/5/08, copyedited on: 24/06/08

    Chapter 3: Multi-Artist Wiki’s and format used

    Multi-artist pages are a challenge to any Wiki Editor. They occur whenever two or more artists share the same name, and therefor the same Wiki page. It is a major point of critcism towards Last.FM's professionalism towards the wiki-system.

    Currently there are various intro lines (compare to intro lines described in chapter 1 of this booklet) used to alert the reader to the fact that he is on a Multi-artist page. The lines currently seen most commonly are as follows:
    1) There are at least two (three, four etc.) artists that have used this name:

    2) There is more than one artist with this name:

    3) There are several metal bands called *******:

    4) The name ******* belongs to several groups.

    5) There are multiple artists with the name ****.

    The problem with these introlines is that there's no agreement on which one is the most professional and readable. This guideline recommends using the fifth one ("There are multiple artists with the name Example"). Officially, Last.FM rules state that All artists should be recognised in the wiki description, therefor having a multi-artist intro line, and then dividing the page into sections for each artist with this name is most likely best according to the rules and FAQ.

    And then we get to the aftermath of this introline... One commonly used format is the following:
    Example:

    [*b] 1) Artist[*/b] is a fiddleplayer from North Carolina, ...
    [*b] 2) Artist [*/b] was a pianist from the 17th century, ...
    [*b] 3) Artist [*/b] is a three-man grunge band, ...

    This list continues so that it lists all artists known by this name, each time marking the artist name in bold, followed by a short description of what type of music this particular artist makes. Formatting the page in this way abides by the rules and regulations from Last.FM.

    In order to maintain the illusion of a professional site towards readers, it is important to maintain a clear and consistent style on the wiki pages. Some editors, perhaps due to lack of experience or knowledge, choose to edit their pages differently. You might want to consider pointing them towards our group, and this booklet.

    In summary, the recommended format for a multi-artist wiki page is as follows, this time with BBCode in full effect:

    There are multiple artists with the name Artist:

    1) Artist is a band from USA.

    2) Artist was a band from Liverpool, UK.

    3) Artist are a fiver-piece band from Texas, USA.

    Written on: 13/5/08, copyedited on 24/06/08


    Stay tunes for updates...

    You may say I'm a dreamer, but I know I'm not the only one
    Editado por kander1 em Jul 5 2008, 0h49
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  • Oh thanks dude. I was gonna do that. :)

    Stay tuned for updates aswell.

    And can I copy this to the official one at the top and continue in third person like that?

    Meld.

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    • kander1 disse...
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    • Jun 24 2008, 22h25
    Hi Meldoicstorm,

    Glad you like it :) Of course, feel free to use it in the top-post and build on it in whatever way you deem best, that's what it was intended for.

    Regards,
    ~~K

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    • Jul 5 2008, 0h50

    Addendum

    Made a slight edit in the text to account for the fact that the Intro Line is displayed to listeners through the Last.Fm client software, as mentioned in the other thread.

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    • Tecfan disse...
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    • Jul 12 2008, 15h49
    I think that multiple artists should not be listed with line break in between.. here you say:

    "There are multiple artists with the name Artist:

    1) Artist is a thrash metal band from USA.

    2) Artist was a nwobhm band from Liverpool, UK.

    3) Artist are a fiver-piece deathcore band from Texas, USA."

    I think it should be:

    "There are multiple artists with the name Artist:

    1) Artist is a thrash metal band from USA.
    2) Artist was a nwobhm band from Liverpool, UK.
    3) Artist are a fiver-piece deathcore band from Texas, USA."

    for greater readability in the client

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  • Tecfan said:
    I think that multiple artists should not be listed with line break in between.. here you say:

    "There are multiple artists with the name Artist:

    1) Artist is a thrash metal band from USA.

    2) Artist was a nwobhm band from Liverpool, UK.

    3) Artist are a fiver-piece deathcore band from Texas, USA."

    I think it should be:

    "There are multiple artists with the name Artist:

    1) Artist is a thrash metal band from USA.
    2) Artist was a nwobhm band from Liverpool, UK.
    3) Artist are a fiver-piece deathcore band from Texas, USA."

    for greater readability in the client


    Good point but when it is filled with information. Like this one here. It won't look so empty in the client.

    But i get your point though, however, it isn't an overview of all three or how many you got. It's a one by one account (populace first), so if I did put in information for them, it would not be 'unreadable'. But you may have to go to the actual page and press 'read more' to know about your band.

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    • Tecfan disse...
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    • Jul 15 2008, 10h38
    Meldoicstorm said:
    Good point but when it is filled with information. Like this one here. It won't look so empty in the client.


    that's not exactly what I meant, I meant it as an intro, like this: http://www.last.fm/music/Apple%20Pie/+wiki

    and after the short intros, then you have more information about the bands further down, preferably the most popular on top.. and then starting each new artist section down the article with x)

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  • Tecfan said:
    Meldoicstorm said:
    Good point but when it is filled with information. Like this one here. It won't look so empty in the client.


    that's not exactly what I meant, I meant it as an intro, like this: http://www.last.fm/music/Apple%20Pie/+wiki

    and after the short intros, then you have more information about the bands further down, preferably the most popular on top.. and then starting each new artist section down the article with x)


    Oh no, I hate that. ewww. Sorry to me I hate that. I might put it as a vote in a discussion later. Or maybe you can start one up and say is this or this better. However, me personnaly, I hate that. Just takes too much room. And...yeah...ewww

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    • kander1 disse...
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    • Jul 15 2008, 17h29

    Hmm

    Looks like both have their pro's and cons. One risk I see with the example that Meldoic pointed at is that the topmost band is visible in the clients, whereas the others are not - only after clicking Read More. This sort-of violates the equal-opportunity thing we aim for with artists that share a name.

    But then the Apple Pie thing.. well, perhaps it's just a badly formatted example, but I share the sentiment expressed as 'ewww'.

    Thinking this over for a second, I do believe the Apple Pie page has more merit. However, in the long text (after the combined introlines) perhaps it would be better not to refer to them by number, but using the same text as in the introlines. Here's a stab at it. Please note that special Artist Wiki markup has been stripped as it does not work in Group Forum discussions.

    ----------------------------------------
    There are multiple artists with the name Apple Pie:

    1. A band from Russia.
    2. An band from Poland
    3. A German band.
    4. A group of seiyuu from the anime Sailor Moon.

    Apple Pie: Progressive Rock band from Russia
    The Russian progressive rock band was formed in Kursk, Russia in the year 2000.

    The group consists of the following members:
    Vartan Mkhitaryan (Lead Vocals, Guitars, Percussion),
    Oleg Sergeev (Keyboard, Backing Vocals),
    Alex Bildin (Bass, Backing Vocals, Saxophone) and
    Andrey Golodukhin (Drums, Backing Vocals)

    Apple Pie is influenced by bands like Spock's Beard and Dream Theater. They released their first album, Crossroads, in 2007.

    Apple Pie: indie band from Poland
    We have no information on this artist yet! Feel like helping out? Click Edit and begin writing!

    Apple Pie: German punk band
    We have no information on this artist yet! Feel like helping out? Click Edit and begin writing!

    Apple Pie: Sailor Moon seiyuu group
    A group consisting of seiyuu from the anime series Sailor Moon. If this is the artist you are interested in, consider changing your tags to アップルパイ, which is the proper name for this artist.

    -----------------------------------

    Yeah, ok, the Artist-wiki tags don't work here, so you'll have to look over that... but I think you get the idea. Would this be less 'Ewww', Meldoic?

    Regards,
    ~~K

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  • Re: Hmm

    kander1 said:
    Looks like both have their pro's and cons. One risk I see with the example that Meldoic pointed at is that the topmost band is visible in the clients, whereas the others are not - only after clicking Read More. This sort-of violates the equal-opportunity thing we aim for with artists that share a name.

    But then the Apple Pie thing.. well, perhaps it's just a badly formatted example, but I share the sentiment expressed as 'ewww'.

    Thinking this over for a second, I do believe the Apple Pie page has more merit. However, in the long text (after the combined introlines) perhaps it would be better not to refer to them by number, but using the same text as in the introlines. Here's a stab at it:

    ----------------------------------------
    There are multiple artists with the name Apple Pie:

    1. A band from Russia.
    2. An band from Poland
    3. A German band.
    4. A group of seiyuu from the anime Sailor Moon.

    Apple Pie: Progressive Rock band from Russia
    The Russian progressive rock band was formed in Kursk, Russia in the year of 2000.

    The group consists of the following members:
    Vartan Mkhitaryan (Lead Vocals, Guitars, Percussion),
    Oleg Sergeev (Keyboard, Backing Vocals),
    Alex Bildin (Bass, Backing Vocals, Saxophone) and
    Andrey Golodukhin (Drums, Backing Vocals)

    Apple Pie is influenced by bands like Spock's Beard and Dream Theater. They released their first album, Crossroads, in 2007.

    Apple Pie: indie band from Poland
    We have no information on this artist yet! Feel like helping out? Click Edit and begin writing!

    Apple Pie: German punk band
    We have no information on this artist yet! Feel like helping out? Click Edit and begin writing!

    Apple Pie: Sailor Moon seiyuu group
    A group consisting of seiyuu from the anime series Sailor Moon. If this is the artist you are interested in, consider changing your tags to アップルパイ, which is the proper name for this artist.

    -----------------------------------

    Yeah, ok, the Artist-wiki tags don't work here, so you'll have to look over that... but I think you get the idea. Would this be less 'Ewww', Meldoic?

    Regards,
    ~~K

    Oh no, ewww factor 8 and half here mate. I used to work as a text analysis which used to type up shit like this basically. (not bands but companies in order) and it always used to be 'professional' to have the populace business first. And also text changes and styles are hard, if you look for professionalism, you want a straight forward account. I know my way is no better nor worse, it is just...hmmm...like 'professional'. loosely. I like everything in order and correct and all that...so maybe it's me being an organised nazi again.

    I make a discussion now and see what the members think.

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    You kinda lost me there... the order in which the items appear has nothing to do with the proposed formatting change, I left the ordering the same. Should you consider the Poland Indie Band to be the more popular Apple Pie, then you would move that one up to the first position in both lists.

    Consider the fact that in the Client only the first paragraph or so is being shown to the user. This means that if you were listening to a song by Apple Pie (the Sailor Moon group), the Artist Info would not have any information regarding the Sailor Moon group. Using the small list first, followed by detailed info for each, you get the best of two worlds: the user sees there are multiple artists, sees his/her intended artist is in the list and therefor knows to click on the Read More link for more information.

    The only big disadvantage I see is that it is slightly more work to copy-edit it. But hey - we're not part of this group because we enjoy quick and dirty wiki's... we want to do the best job possible, right?

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  • kander1 said:
    You kinda lost me there... the order in which the items appear has nothing to do with the proposed formatting change, I left the ordering the same. Should you consider the Poland Indie Band to be the more popular Apple Pie, then you would move that one up to the first position in both lists.

    Consider the fact that in the Client only the first paragraph or so is being shown to the user. This means that if you were listening to a song by Apple Pie (the Sailor Moon group), the Artist Info would not have any information regarding the Sailor Moon group. Using the small list first, followed by detailed info for each, you get the best of two worlds: the user sees there are multiple artists, sees his/her intended artist is in the list and therefor knows to click on the Read More link for more information.

    The only big disadvantage I see is that it is slightly more work to copy-edit it. But hey - we're not part of this group because we enjoy quick and dirty wiki's... we want to do the best job possible, right?


    ah but ah. ah aha ha. Meldoicstorm cannot feed this into his brain dailly. I have been doing my way since, I saw a Mod do it, in 2006. See if you all vote 2. Your changing the insides of meldoicstorm. He will not ever be the same again!

    The only thing i hate about 2 is that it intros a intro. It starts the list then continues, just in more details. Point? Just so fat soos don't have to click more than 3 times? Really?

    I like it clean. I like it professional. however, not everyone thinks the same.

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    • kander1 disse...
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    • Jul 15 2008, 23h09
    Meldoicstorm said:
    See if you all vote 2. You're changing the insides of meldoicstorm. He will not ever be the same again!

    Hmmm... I don't want to be messing with your insides, really! "But a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." ~Dune (the Movie)

    The point, if there is one at all, has nothing to do with fat soos (whatever they may be) clicking three times. It's about making things easier for the users, the people we write and edit these wiki pages for. I think we all agree on clean and professional being the way to go... what we don't agree on is what those words actually mean when it comes to styling a multi-artist wiki page. To me, your style is not professional, because it hides one or more artists in favour of others. To you, my style style is cluttered and amateurish.

    (BTW: I kinda liked that you broke Godwin's Law in your first reply to my suggestion for a new format, even though you were talking about yourself ;) )

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  • kander1 said:
    Meldoicstorm said:
    See if you all vote 2. You're changing the insides of meldoicstorm. He will not ever be the same again!

    Hmmm... I don't want to be messing with your insides, really! "But a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." ~Dune (the Movie)

    The point, if there is one at all, has nothing to do with fat soos (whatever they may be) clicking three times. It's about making things easier for the users, the people we write and edit these wiki pages for. I think we all agree on clean and professional being the way to go... what we don't agree on is what those words actually mean when it comes to styling a multi-artist wiki page. To me, your style is not professional, because it hides one or more artists in favour of others. To you, my style style is cluttered and amateurish.

    (BTW: I kinda liked that you broke Godwin's Law in your first reply to my suggestion for a new format, even though you were talking about yourself ;) )


    I see, hopefully, the new system will take away the multi-artists. :)

    But till then, I am stuck of what to do...

    Godwin's law? talking to myself? Was I speaking to myself on here...do i do that...you do meldoicstorm...wah who said that...See i am going insane just thinking about it!

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    • jPeMelin disse...
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    • Ago 15 2008, 12h16

    just as a voice

    I don't have much to add for arguments sake but I'd like to support kander1's standpoint fully.

    In the last.fm software too, you see nothing but the first few paragraphs, and then it is largely uninformative as a bio for the larger bulk of the users if you only get one of the multiple identities presented.

    Better then to begin with a concentrated index and let the interested reader make the effort to follow the "read more" links for deeper studies of his favoured alternative.

    About ordering I have so far preferred the numbering system, and I have added the newest band at the bottom of the list, with the nest available number as suffix.
    But since the order is occasionally changed by others it is no guarantee that the reference "Andy (3)" will remain when spoken of in other circumstances, so perhaps an added "genre from country" line after the name should be better from the wiki-format point of view. This on the other hand is less pretty whe you write a journal where you casually mention "Andy (electronic dance music producer from Falun, Sweden)"

    Popularity is not always the best order either, since it often changes over time when there are less known bands involved.

    What I's really prefer would be a chronological order (as would be impossible in the case of Iron Maiden), but that is just too complicated. Not only for the conflict with huge fanbases, but because the "who was first" problem is in the majority of the cases, something not easily settled even among reasonable people.

    Until now I have edited as far as I can after the guidelines accessible in the faq, and after examples in wikis I've seen. What kander1 decribes with my addition here mainly sum up how I edit multiple artists.



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    • Tecfan disse...
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    • Ago 15 2008, 20h33
    (I just have to say, I'm glad MelodicStorm is banned. WHat a closed-mined person.)

    If you're into /, you might enjoy my (free) tracks: Tecfan
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    • jPeMelin disse...
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    • Ago 16 2008, 20h46

    He is a little impatient perhaps

    ... and certain that he was right about these things. But I think it is a little difficult to translate such a hard core professional attitude to something basically chaotic like a wiki, but I do applause his efforts!

    I broadly embrace his ideals but I think we should be a little pragmatic about functionality for a web layout like the one last.fm have. I think alternative three here is just an example of such pragmatism.



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