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    • themcrob disse...
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    • Out 27 2008, 20h10
    zorzynek said:
    That's whole different story. His biography is all about being a president. I'm kinda scared. This dude is power seeker?


    All serious politicians are megalomaniacs, every single one from world leaders to town council members.

    Do I believe in Obama? His ego is not a disqualifier for me. Hell, I kinda like his confidence. I believe he is right about a number of issues like infrastructure improvement, taxes, raising the cap on payroll taxes, and foreign policy. Additionally, I believe he has better answers on health care, energy, and the environment. He is not perfect, I don't worship the man, but I do believe he is the best choice in the election.

  • yeah but he smokes, what an environmental hypocrite!

  • zorzynek said:
    Politics is cynical game. Don't be fooled. I'm not so sure about Obama being a messiah. I mean McCain acts and talks like prick. So he must be one. Another republican president would be too much. No doubt about that. But Obama? That's whole different story. His biography is all about being a president. I'm kinda scared. This dude is power seeker? What exactly is his offer? Elect me, cause I'm nice guy? Personally, I find him pretty annoying. He's already acting like he's in charge? There was this magnificent slip of tongue: "People ask me what have I learned since becoming a president?" What a prick. But what I think isn't really important. My view on politics has nothing to do with question I asked. I'm just curious bout Your perspective? Do You believe him? And if so why?


    They are both consumed with wanting the presidency, but for McCain, this is his last shot, so he is willing to make a Faustian bargain to achieve the goal. And his biography--his autobiography Faith of My Fathers talks about being consumed by wanting to be president since he arrived back in the US after his POW stint.

    They both make slips of the tongue about wanting to be in power and both have super-sized egos, but Obama has worked his whole life to find concensus, to help people find their way out of hopelessness and poverty; McCain has worked much of his political life to "go along to get along" and his campaign has sold out the principled John McCain for a Run-to-the-Right shill. And the thought of Sarah Palin anywhere near the controls of the state frighten me.

    So I went in and voted today.

    But, Cat, in zorzynek's defense, much of the world is deeply suspicious that America will elect a black man, given our history of racism and oppression, and they mostly believe we will elect another tough minded military man, which has worked pretty often over the last 60 years.

    beelzbubba
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    • Out 28 2008, 1h53
    Yeah, about year ago I was talking to guy from Newscom (at that time I was working in Photo Agency who was pushing some Newscom photos and that guy went down to Poland to check are we pushing this shit hard enough), anyway and that guy after two beers told me something like: Obama might be popular. Folks will say "Hell yeah, I'll vote for him". But there is big part of that country that won't vote for black guy. Only because his black. And there are folks who won't admit that they're gonna vote for McCain. First thought was: "This dude is drunk". Second thought was about president of Poland - Lech Kaczynki. Everyone, everyone really hates him. People, this guy has as low publicity as Bush Junior. there are tons of jokes on him, pranks etc. You know and so nobody voted for him. Literally nobody. But this dude won. Elections were cool. I mean, no frauds involved. I can easily imagine same situation in US of A: "Everyone is voting for Barckus The Spartacus. Great, but McCain wins anyway." And yes, Jaymo has a point while saying that we are pretty worried. We are.

  • Dude, the Bradley effect is continuing to be debunked left and right. Obama's got a huge lead in Virginia, fer chrissakes, the former seat of the Confederacy. If that doesn't show that there's been a major shift in attitude, I honestly don't know what does.

    And if hell freezes over and McPalin really do win, well—I know when I'm going to start studying abroad!

  • I don't know, from where I'm standing there's plenty of room for cynicism too. I have never heard so many unabashed racist comments and opinions based solely on religion than I have lately. But of course, the whole country is not Georgia. So idk.

    That was then, this is dumb.
    • tmills disse...
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    • Out 28 2008, 3h58
    It's not just Georgia, Nicki. You can add Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas and South Carolina to the list. I haven't been to Alabama lately, but I'm sure it's there too. Racism, whether directed at blacks or anyone of Middle Eastern descent, is still very prevalent in the South.

    A guy that I work with told me that he would have no problem lining up all Arabs into a line, shooting them and burying them in a ditch, Nazi style. He was serious. He's the kind of guy that thinks ALL Muslims (including Barrack Hussein Obama) are going to hell and that they will stop at nothing to kill everyone in the United States because they hate our way of life.

  • Yeah, I was just attempting not to generalize too badly. But I'm pretty horrified.

    That was then, this is dumb.
  • I'm woried people won't vote because they already think it's going to be a landslide.

    • themcrob disse...
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    • Out 28 2008, 4h28
    There are racists everywhere in the United States, not just the South. A couple of my relatives from Illinois (one Chicagoland, one Hoopeston) have no problem dropping the n word (ya know, 'cause the rappers do it) and turning the middle east into glass. It's cool though, my Indiana kin are proBama.

    As for the Bradley Effect, it isn't dead or alive until the election, but Obama has such a big lead, I doubt it could swing the election in the off chance it exists.

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    • Out 28 2008, 4h32
    Oh, I don't doubt racism is all over the country. I just have first hand experience of it down here.

  • In parts of the North and West racism is more of that subtle, institutionalized shit. It's harder to detect, but it's there.

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    • Out 28 2008, 10h34
    Meanwhile I'm pretty happy that last polish troops are home, and we're out of the desert. Still I have no idea why the hell we went there in the first place.

  • Apparently, someone's been leafletting Duval County, FL -- Jacksonville, I think--saying that because of long lines at the polls, the Republicans should vote Tuesday, Nov. 4 and the Dems should come in on Wednesday, Nov. 5.

    Heh. I hate the dirty tricks, but I have to admire the attempt.

    I went in Monday and voted early. I'm not going to put up with the 4 hour or longer lines we had last time.

    beelzbubba
    jazzoetry is poetry
  • beelzbubba said:
    Apparently, someone's been leafletting Duval County, FL -- Jacksonville, I think--saying that because of long lines at the polls, the Republicans should vote Tuesday, Nov. 4 and the Dems should come in on Wednesday, Nov. 5.

    Heh. I hate the dirty tricks, but I have to admire the attempt.

    I went in Monday and voted early. I'm not going to put up with the 4 hour or longer lines we had last time.


    God, if people believe that I'm packing for France.

  • what makes France that much better? Honestly... President Obama or President McCain it's still gonna just be the same old bullshit anyway. The country isn't gonna change that much with either presidents, sure taxes might be structured differently and gov't spending may change some and blah blah blah but seriously you're still gonna have to wake up every morning and go to work/school just like before.

    Just my two cents, I'm sick and tired of hearing this "If McCain/Obama gets elected I'm moving to France, I'm moving to Germany, I'm moving to Canada whine whine whine". Just move already if you feel that way, geesh.

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    • Out 29 2008, 23h52
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    • Out 30 2008, 0h17
    ACoolAssTurtle said:
    Youyesyesyes said:
    Honestly... President Obama or President McCain it's still gonna just be the same old bullshit anyway. The country isn't gonna change that much with either presidents, sure taxes might be structured differently and gov't spending may change some and blah blah blah but seriously you're still gonna have to wake up every morning and go to work/school just like before.


    I remember people saying this in 2000 about Bush and Gore and I am pretty stunned to still be reading it.

    I was just about to say the exact same thing. Look how much has changed since Bush has taken office. And while I'm not eager to continue forward with more spend-happy policies with Democrats in the House, Senate and White House, I am very happy to have Bush and Co. out of office. One good thing that should come from Democrats in power is a reformed GOP... a conservative like myself would hope.

    • tmills disse...
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    • Out 30 2008, 0h20
    Thats a great video by the way, zorzy

  • Youyesyesyes said:
    Just my two cents, I'm sick and tired of hearing this "If McCain/Obama gets elected I'm moving to France, I'm moving to Germany, I'm moving to Canada whine whine whine". Just move already if you feel that way, geesh.


    ...and Internet sarcasm fails to come across once again!

    But seriously, I'm definitely going to study abroad in Europe from 2010-2011. For entirely apolitical reasons.

  • oh you guys! Looks like dat dere bobber be under da water!

  • I am such a sucker--- I cried multiple times during the obama-merical.

    i love him.

    love, music, wine and revolution


  • the Bush II bar is over half the distance to the Great Depression bar. Goes back a bit further in history than this one i've seen all over the place



    anyone else have charts from other parts of the economy? poverty rate, GNP growth, etc.

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