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  • How do you cope with how pretentious pitchfork is?

    I end up reading some album reviews and glancing at the scores for albums. But whenever I read the reviews I get really amazed at how just how pretentious the reviewers can be. I feel sometimes like they have a manual where its like Rule 1 Be Pretentious.

    Here are a few good examples.

    http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/15372-the-boy-with-the-arab-strap

    http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/21353-take-offs-and-landings

    I tend to try not to read the reviews, because I only agree with them 50% of the time. Mainly it seems like one can review music and not be pretentious.

  • The Onion...

    I always carry a copy of this article from the onion with me in my wallet...
    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pitchfork_gives_music_6_8
    Whenever I get pissed at Pitchfork (which is often), I pull it out, close my eyes, take a deep breath, and start smiling. Pitchfork is a great music journal, and if they could just pull their heads out of their asses, fire some of the writers that are clearly only on the payroll in order to spark controversy, and to make Pitchfork seem "edgier than the mainstream", they would be perfect.

    • Baculaat disse...
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    • Fev 15 2008, 14h11
    Nice review of Jet

    I think they're pretty harsh, but their standard is a lot higher than for other reviewers...I guess if they give a '1' for an album it means that it's 'Pretty bad' while for other reviewers that's the most terrible number ever. I mean you can't explain a 0.8 for a Belle & Sebastian if their standards are the same.

  • pretentious..?

    they've mellowed with age. i don't think you'd see a review like that '...arab strap' one anymore. it was almost 10 years ago.

    if anything, i think they've gone too far the other way and are too willing to rate albums highly for the sake of consistency.

    case in point: vampire weekend

    p/f did so much to build them up, when they delivered a spectacularly average album, they still acted like it was the second coming. 8.8? really?

  • simple

    just dont read what they have to say.

    • pudarray disse...
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    • Set 26 2008, 22h33

    exactly

    The reviews are usually incomprehensibly filled with lit-wank metaphors and references no-one but second year Arts Degree try-hards would understand. But if you give everything they review a try, good score or bad, you're probably going to get at least two really interesting albums a week. Which is pretty good.

    One thing I agree with them about is the complete disdain for bands who don't try. Like Jet.

    • mattgcn disse...
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    • Nov 24 2008, 22h13
    I don't often read the reviews. Some of them are retarded. Case in point, Kid A. I just glance at the scores and if it's above 8 I might try it out.

    I take the shittier reviews (Messner, Arab Strap etc) with a grain of salt.

    We are each a beautiful snowflake that will melt in hell.
  • I can't usually be bothered to actually read the whole reviews, but in my experience of some 20+ years of listening to all kinds of music, Pitchfork's ratings have come closer to my own tastes than any other publication. They are not perfect, but usually when they give about 8 or more, there is a very good chance I'll wind up liking the album. Also, I have an emusic account, so it's often a matter of a few mouse-clicks to get the album (they have a link to emusic on every review, in case you haven't noticed). That is actually even cooler than you think it is.

    Also, even if they sometimes happen to give scores which are way too low or high, their lists are pretty consistently good, at least from my perspective. Than again, why would I need anyone else's perspective since lists are after all largely a subjective exercise. Anyhow, the lists sometimes include those albums I thought were hugely underappreciated by p4k (Discovery and Rooty being two examples which come to mind) and often exclude those which were overrated (for example, see the differences between the 1999 and 2003 versions of the best albums of 1990s).

    So, they might try to be a bit too deep a bit too often, but they still manage to serve me much better than any other music publication.

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    • Dez 7 2008, 20h04
    i don't take the actual scores to decide whether or not i'll listen to an album. but usually anything getting a 7+ sounds pretty good to me. but i guess when something gets a 5/10 on pitcfhfork, it means it's average, which i find is quite true most of the time.
    but before even glancing at reviews i'm more likely to head to the news. it is quite up-to-date all the time, and the articles are never too long and are usually pretty quirky. all of these things are good. pitchfork is my preferred music site as far as news goes, i guess.

    reviews i'll have to dwell on some more. pretentiousness is evident, i would agree, to an extent.

    also, pitchfork is often hilarious. which is fun.

  • reviews of albums are snot

    • tomatron disse...
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    • Dez 15 2008, 22h43
    same as most people, i find the reviews somewhat verbose and pretentious (oh! the irony!), but usually more aligned to my tastes than other music publications.... i generally read the first and last paragraphs, and skim the rest. the weird thing is that the reviews are done by different people, but there's a general pitchfork 'voice' that they obviously strive for.

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    • Fev 8 2009, 14h06
    They're hilarious. I just take their scores and add about 2-3 for the actual score.

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    • Mar 3 2009, 13h44

    best Pitchfork review ever!

  • More like pitch dork!

    Pitchfork is a secondary symptom of the middle school caste. Remember the oligarchy then? Sure, the thought of some of those kids went quite handily with a fistful of conditioner and an Explosions in the Sky-length shower. But it’s easy to forget that many of the other untouchables were downright fugly. You don’t remember the spark of false hope you culled from that second-hand account of some Chunk-faced linebacker giving Susie-proto-pornlet a fistful of conditioner during the debut of Scream 2? How – you thought – did this guy break the glass ceiling? With his smile? Turns out, he broke it with your dignity. Yes, that’s right. All those horrible things you thought they were saying about you behind your back – well, they actually said them. Because cool is to exclude. It’s like a finite global resource. And everyone is keeping score. But you misapplied the principle. Instead of sabotaging your Peking-superiors, you just started monopolizing everything under the sun, even the stuff you knew wasn’t cool. It was like hording Pogs, or lifting your skinny fists towards heaven, so to speak. And now, you can’t stop. You’re a knee-jerk cultural conquistador. You know that no one is ever going to congratulate you on having heard of Thumb Piano first. In fact, if anything, it comes off as smug, and alienates your friends. But it was never about making friends. It was about leveling up enough to finally pwn bowser and make out with the middle school princess. Thankfully, there are girls who took the same pitiful arc, so you at least have someone to make out with. But let’s be real. You’re two adversaries. You know she eats meat. And in turn, she knows your deep dark secret - you don’t really listen to Wavves. Now you both read pitchfork because it’s self-consciously insular, and generally cryptic to anyone but the most devout holier-than-thou vinyl rats. You are stone-faced, even in the face of genius – if that genius happens to sell more than 500 records. This is your club. No cool kids allowed.

  • Exactly what tsernobog said!

  • I'm deeply annoyed by the pretentious of much of their writing--and, lest it go unmentioned, of many of the site's fans. However, Pitchfork seems to have gotten better. I've read some things there lately that are surprisingly good. For instance, The Social History of the MP3 and some of the other "P2K" retrospective articles they've recently posted.

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    • Set 22 2009, 2h30
    i usually just don't read them. i don't have time to read all the reviews anyway, so i read only the most interesting ones

    i use pitchfork for finding new music, but i don't decide if i like it or not, just because pitchfork gave a good/bad rating to it. i usually give it a try even if the rating is pretty bad and then decide for myself.

    • ratcfc disse...
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    • Set 25 2009, 2h06

    Pretty irritating

    I feel that Pitchfork will give an albim a high ranking if it 'pushes boundaries' instead of checking to see whether the music is any good. I understand the desire for artistic growth, but seriously, some of the stuff they laud is entirely forgettable drivel.

  • Could you give some examples?

    • Fetch11 disse...
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    • Out 7 2009, 15h14
    Why should pitchfork tone anything down? There are already plenty of magazines that cater to mainstream tastes. Their writing might tend towards the verbose, but I'd rather have that than the dull, laddish pub-speak of most music journals. And how are they pretentious? Because they like unusual indie music and because they like writing about it with a bit more intellectual zeal than you're average music 'critic'? That word pretentious is flung around far too much. If you genuinely enjoy music that pushes boundaries (to your ears) and you like expressing that in a way that might alienate some people (which is something that is impossible to avoid - *some* section of an audience is always alienated with these things, no matter what is produced) then you should feel no shame in what you do.

    I don't actually even like Pitchfork that much, nor do I like most indie music; I'm just confused by the inverse snobbery in those that throw insults at it. And this idea that people like the bands they like to "look clever" is another piece of nonsense that is regularly smeared across the internet. I'll admit that it might be true in some cases, but not in many.

    - Jonny Movement -
    • cmathon disse...
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    • Out 25 2009, 14h24

    The Drone, new video web zine!

    hey if you wanna see something else than pitchfork,
    check out this video magazine: http://the-drone.com/

    - the XX
    - Fucked Up
    - Pains of Being Pure at Heart
    - Nisennenmndai
    - Etienne Jaumet

    it's different than pitchfork tho, more of an alternative.

    • LordRama disse...
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    • Nov 17 2009, 4h57

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    Editado por hjbardenhagen em Dez 20 2010, 8h38
  • If they really like the bands, that isn't pretentious.
    People don't like the bands they like to "look clever" or "look smart", that's just the Internet rumor mill.

    People give Pitchfork so much shit, when they aren't any worse than any other music critic out there. Robert Christgau was WAY more snarky and, yes, pretentious, than Pitchfork is or has been.

    I like their opinion on music, I agree with them about 90% of the time, the other 10% I shrug it off as one writer's opinion. To actively dislike Pitchfork and avoid anything they like just to not be seen as a hipster is as bad as being a half-ass and liking whatever Pitchfork likes, even if you find it bad. The best way to use review sites, including Pitchfork, is to keep your own tastes in mind and use them as a discovery or affirmation method.

    Read the reviews so you can get an idea of what to get. If it seems like something you'd never get, don't get it. If you're curious or know you'll like it, get it.

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    • Dez 20 2009, 18h19
    You people still read their reviews? Pitchfork is about as revelant as Rolling Stone. Nursing home journalism.

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