• [Usuário excluído] disse...
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    • Jun 6 2007, 9h08

    CD's are Bullshit.

    They Cost too much, they get easily damaged, they can be a hassle if you have a lot of them and they're inferior.

    People who sell CDs should sell them for less, include protective plastic dust and scratch guards that snap onto the cd's and a CDr with the same CD Label just with a small "CDR XXx" on it that says "Not for resale" on it.

    CD's suck.

  • I like the pretty album art and lyrics though. That's why I still buy CDs

    I don't want to think about it, who, what, when, or where. I don't want to think about it, I don't really care. I don't want to think about creating something new. I don't want to think about it because I've got much better things to do - just like you
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    • Ago 25 2007, 10h40
    Sometimes they aren't always pretty and I own much more CDs that don't have printed out lyrics than do. I understand though, the better the packaging, the less of a kick to the balls it is.

    • jam02 disse...
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    • Ago 28 2007, 12h14
    If I like the artwork or can't get it online, I'll buy the album on a cd

    • woosy disse...
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    • Set 9 2007, 7h01
    schweinkenstein said:
    They Cost too much, they get easily damaged, they can be a hassle if you have a lot of them and they're inferior.

    People who sell CDs should sell them for less, include protective plastic dust and scratch guards that snap onto the cd's and a CDr with the same CD Label just with a small "CDR XXx" on it that says "Not for resale" on it.

    CD's suck.


    You're joking right? You can buy many CD's online brand new for like £3 ($6) months after release from amazon market place, if price is a factor for you, buy second hand. CD's have superior sound quality, unlike marketplaces like itunes etc.. who sell lossy AAC files encased in DRM, but whatever floats your boat.

    You think the price of CD's are bullshit? Online webstores are pretty much selling the files for the same price as a brand spanking new released Album on CD. The difference is, I can rip to lossless, I can put the music on as many devices that I own without hassle, I can make a 100% backup copy and not lose sound quality. Try doing that with that DRM shit, without going though hoops. yeah you can backup a DRM song on itunes and re-rip it but not without losing sound quality, now thats bullshit.

    Your complaint about CD's getting damaged is a moot point. If your hard drive gets fucked and you downloaded a ton of songs, you gotta buy those songs that you bought from itunes again! You're out of pocket, least I can still use the CD. Ironically, you can back songs you bought online to, you guessed it, that dreaded CD that you hate so much.

    People who have CD's should takecare of them just like anything they own. You never hear a guy who scratched his car go "this is bullshit, they should put things on the paint so it doesn't come off!" when it was his own fault for scratching it against another car.

    I have over 3000 Cd's from 1994 to the present day, some good, some suck due to my taste changing. Only a few are scratched, due to me playing them in my portable Cd player wayyy too much. That and not using due care back in the early 90's. Now this is the era of ripping music to devices, computer ipod etc.. My CD's don't get scratched these days, because they get ripped and left in their case, I take care of my CD's I'm not 14 anymore. The most that happens to them is they get covered in dust, probably the worst that can happen to them now, probably sucks if you're asthmatic though.

    My advice to you is, make a copy of your disks if you're that clumsy. Then use the backup copy to play your music, you can scratch that CD as much as you like burn it use it as a coaster. You will still always have the original which you can make a copy of again and again. But hey, this is just "common sence" which in your case isn't very common.

    What is bullshit about Cd's is, hardly any money from a sale goes to the artist. Blaming your clumsy sausage finger mistakes on material objects is funny, regardless if it's a Cd, car, clothes etc... takecare of them they won't takecare of themselves.

  • I just like buying CDs because it feels so...complete I guess. I know that it's all music in the end, but downloading still only feels like half of the package. I just like how the CD is this solid, corporeal sum total of all the creative input involved: the musicians, producers, album artists...everyone.

    Plus you don't get the compressed sound you get off MP3s

  • CD quality > MP3 quality. And my CDs never get damaged because I rip the music once after buying them and store them away in a safe place (I use my computer and my iPod to listen).

    woosy said:
    If your hard drive gets fucked and you downloaded a ton of songs, you gotta buy those songs that you bought from itunes again!

    Not really, Apple will replace them if you ask.

  • Well... No matter how well you take care of a cd, does it last for much more than a lifetime =P due to the lifetime of a CD! =)
    CD quality is great, you should back up to hdd and compress with FLAC! 3/4-1/4 of its original space and it's lossless... Yeah, I'm one of those who hears the different between a vbr wma, a mp3 320kbps and a lossless!
    Selling music in lossless, as iTunes have done lately is great, but I don't like their copy protection! (+ you miss how big the space between the tracks is and other things that might be on the CD)
    CD's takes up a lot of space! Go and buy some box to put em all into! Rip em, put em back into the box! Play it on your pc!

    • xEvyn disse...
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    • Dez 17 2008, 1h09
    I buy CD's a lot, and I always will. I like the album art, the lyrics, and just having the actual thing in my hands. There are some bands & artists who I can't find anywhere else, so I go to my local record store -- they have everything. I like being able to have the CD in my hands. I got WKAP album autographed by Amanda Palmer, so..there's another good reason. I don't care about the price; I'm willing to pay it.

    oh man, it's taking me over.
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    • Jan 1 2009, 19h08
    I buy CDs all the time because I like having a physical copy of all my favorite songs. And I like the artwork, as well as being able to put the CDs on my bookshelf and admire them.
    But they're also too expensive and half of them are in cracked plastic cases.

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    • Mar 7 2009, 8h03
    Ten year old technology carrying DRM's that are removable in seconds. Put a CD in a microwave for five seconds....it is amazing to watch.

  • cd's are just good. its nice to have them. and i don't have to buy into the satanic evil that is Apple. i know you can get songs bought elsewhere. but personally, its all about the cd. especially ones with a DVD in aswell...

  • vinyl anybody? so much nicer to own than a cd. You get the massive album work, big lyric sheets. Theres something a bit ugly about the digital formats, theres no magic to them.

  • Plus, vinyl has much better sound quality, at least when it's new.

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    • Dez 21 2009, 14h59
    CDs are better than I-Tunes. But really all you need is vinyl for a physical copy and CD-quality DMR-free downloads for convenience. I wish there was more focus on high quality downloads instead of these low-fi empeethrees. I mean storage space is getting bigger and download speeds are getting faster.

    How about vinyls with a high-fi lossless, DRM-free digital download ticket?

  • Those are nice when they're included, but I make my own rips of my vinyls anyway (in far higher than CD quality, I might add) so it's not a big deal to me if they're not included. Then again, ripping vinyl isn't particularly convenient for a lot of people.

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    • Fev 28 2010, 10h27
    Sometimes they just have nice artwork. And I like how some CD's are pacakged like a carton (such as some of NIN's cds) because then they are less likely to break. Overall, I think that the packaging for CDs should be more creative. All of my plastic CDs end up getting ruined unless I keep them in a box. And of course, there was the time when I bought a CD at a merch stand, and came back to see that the whole case was broken...
    But if I had more money, I would probably buy a few CDs. Especially since in Holland, there are lots of music shops. And I would buy vinyl if I had the right equipment to play it.

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    • Fev 28 2010, 10h29
    Ha I didn't even notice that I'd already commented here over a year ago! And I still haven't changed my opinion since then ^^

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    • Mai 25 2010, 17h20
    I wrote the OP in 2007. What's the schweinkenstein think now? Schweinkenstein thinks the same. CD's are still a hassle, CD's are still inferior, the packaging still has a tendency to be minimal and the price almost always never meets the quality. I will say though, that because of EAC, I have been appreciating my ownership of CD's more but of course this only when I haven't already made a copy and backed it up. After that, the CD becomes useless again because I am willing to maintain backups of my data more than I am willing to have a storage crisis due to cases and wallets and the rest of it.

    The above responses assumed that I was a fan of iTunes and DRM. I'm not. iTunes is still overpriced and has DRM attached to it. The above responses said that new CD's can cost 6 dollars. I have not seen that. I have only seen such deals if you bought multiple CD's straight from the record label's store or if you went to a concert and paid for admission and they were selling CD's at a manufacturer's price. Sometimes with a free autograph too. Rejection of CD prices should not be seen as an endorsement of iTunes(as it was then and as it is now) and most certainly not an endorsement of DRM.

    CD's do and can get scratched. I've tried to be as careful as I can and the surface still gets scratched. Perhaps I am clumsy but I've tried to be careful and I've always felt silly after wards; treating a CD like someone might treat a mint condition comic book. The above responses talk about having to buy downloads again. This is true. Because of this, there are subscriptions that operate similar to last.fm, another service that I could value more than CD's when executed properly. Last.fm has executed this method greatly so far. Someone also brought to our attention that iTunes may cover your lost downloads as I'm sure other services have and will.

    I would like to clarify the inferiority of CD's. CD's are inferior because of how delicate they are, what their price is matched against how much they cost to be produced and portability of the CD (not the data). The data on the CD is not inferior at all, nor did I ever say it was, but I also didn't say it wasn't. Yes, it is very convenient to have a CD to make copies with but that's where the convenience begins and ends for me. If the media damage risks and legal risks in copying weren't so high, subjectively, price of the CD wouldn't be either. Also, a scratched car is an appearance issue, not a functionality issue. At least apples and oranges are both fruit and they're both round and they both provide nutritional sustenance.

    The most ideal sale and storage of media made available would be flash memory should the cost of flash memory ever go down. To avoid any other particular asshole individuals from subjectively questioning my common sense due to their lack of such, I shall now say this: I do realize that flash memory has it's own con's when compared to CD media that are independent of cost. One of these may be corruptibility of data and the lifespan of flash memory. The record label or author who distributes his own work could easily make checksum data available to ensure that the data is uncorrupted and in the event that the flash device should fail, it could be covered by warranty if the failed media were sent in. I also understand that CD's don't have a corruption issue but because of surface scratches, write errors made by the manufacturer and other things that I may not be aware of, you will have an issue of data accuracy which in and of itself, is a form of data corruption.

    Lastly, I would like to issue a very generous "fuck you" to a particular response above; Fuck you a whole lot and very much, woosy. This concludes schweinkenstein's response. Good day.

    • djawg disse...
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    • Jun 18 2010, 14h29

    Here, here!

    Oooh, I love resurrected threads!

    As soon as I discovered lossless ripping when I was about 17, I began ripping my 500+ CD collection and promptly sold them back to the stores I bought them from. They're useless; I already have good computer backup habits, why store a bunch of useless plastic? Now I could use that money to start picking up vinyl records and still listen to the music I had.

    The consumer transition from vinyl to CD was flawed, as while it made audio more convenient (Yay! We don't have to flip sides and the music sounds the same in my shitty boombox as it does on Dad's hi-fi!), the actual art of the record suffered (inferior sampling rate and compressed artwork). Not to mention many artists have mastered entire records based on the sampling rate of a CD, as such you have an inferior mixdown that couldn't be mastered to a more appropriate archival format (read: vinyl), essentially dating your music. CD's were a bad replacement for vinyl, and only slightly better than cassettes (cassettes still give us a good signal, but wear out far too quickly). DVD audio would give you a FAR better sampling rate, but who wants a disc you can only play in your DVD player? But why even mess with sampling rates when, if you care about this kind of thing, you can just buy vinyl and listen to the music as it was played as opposed to what is, essentially, a sample of music being played? The difference is as obvious as the difference between a good recording and a good live performance. And there are people who listen to music and never go to concerts, nothing wrong with that. The solution is easy: Streaming and digital files for those who don't care, vinyl and lossless ripping for those who do (just be careful on ripping vinyl, if your turntable or sound card sucks you'll just end up with shitty files).

    CDs and lossy compression are fine if you just wanna blast your music from your car or iPod and impress the opposite sex with your eclectic playlist. Me, I've got good taste and a hi-fi with an equalizer, and I know how to use it, and it's the reason my roommates can never tell if I'm listening to music or making it. As a poster above mentioned, the shape of the sound wave you're listening to matters.

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