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- pork_scratchers disse...
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- Jan 23 2009, 19h52
ISRAEL, are they good or bad?

Think about it.

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...
Not screaming in terror like his passengers."

[quote][b][user]pork_scratchers[/user][/b] disse: Think about it.[quote]

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- PanSandro disse...
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- Jan 23 2009, 20h36
BC - good. our era - is bad.

Modern Israel - bad, will never be peace in this land, in the Holy Land .....

Glory of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
Praise Moses!

И ЖИЗНИ БУДУЩАГО ВЕКА

[quote][b][user]PanSandro[/user][/b] disse: Modern Israel - bad, will never be peace in this land, in the Holy Land ..... Glory of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! Praise Moses![quote]

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- pork_scratchers disse...
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- Jan 23 2009, 20h56
Well said, thanks for replying!

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather...
Not screaming in terror like his passengers."

[quote][b][user]pork_scratchers[/user][/b] disse: Well said, thanks for replying![quote]

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- FILIPINHO disse...
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- Jan 23 2009, 21h14
I am a pacifist and generally I am against any kind of war. That's why I don't support their policy on Palestine but I don't claim they are evil in any sense.

[quote][b][user]FILIPINHO[/user][/b] disse: I am a pacifist and generally I am against any kind of war. That's why I don't support their policy on Palestine but I don't claim they are evil in any sense.[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jan 23 2009, 21h36
Well , i lived there and i have to say that their government made people sooo afraid of everything so they are reacting to everything..But i don't understand one thing ; they (unfortunately) saw the the worst genocide ever but they are doing almost the same thing to others.. This question has to be asked also to Hamas , they were all saying that they were a government but in this war they hided like rats and left 1,500,000 Gazans open to Israeli strike..Hamas is both liar and coward but at least Israel is not coward

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: Well , i lived there and i have to say that their government made people sooo afraid of everything so they are reacting to everything..But i don't understand one thing ; they (unfortunately) saw the the worst genocide ever but they are doing almost the same thing to others.. This question has to be asked also to Hamas , they were all saying that they were a government but in this war they hided like rats and left 1,500,000 Gazans open to Israeli strike..Hamas is both liar and coward but at least Israel is not coward[quote]

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- LinkAurion disse...
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- Jan 23 2009, 22h00
eud_1558 said:
Well , i lived there and i have to say that their government made people sooo afraid of everything so they are reacting to everything..But i don't understand one thing ; they (unfortunately) saw the the worst genocide ever but they are doing almost the same thing to others.. This question has to be asked also to Hamas , they were all saying that they were a government but in this war they hided like rats and left 1,500,000 Gazans open to Israeli strike..Hamas is both liar and coward but at least Israel is not coward
Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide.

And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad.

And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims.

There is simply no excuse.

[quote][b][user]LinkAurion[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]eud_1558[/user][/b] said: Well , i lived there and i have to say that their government made people sooo afraid of everything so they are reacting to everything..But i don't understand one thing ; they (unfortunately) saw the the worst genocide ever but they are doing almost the same thing to others.. This question has to be asked also to Hamas , they were all saying that they were a government but in this war they hided like rats and left 1,500,000 Gazans open to Israeli strike..Hamas is both liar and coward but at least Israel is not coward[/quote] Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide. And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad. And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims. There is simply no excuse.[quote]

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- ErikWarmelink disse...
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- Jan 24 2009, 0h10
LinkAurion said:
Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide.
Gaza is one of the most densely populated regions, but not the most densely populated region. If one compares it to West Berlin, it's a bit smaller, but the USSR didn't bomb West Berlin. Israel bombs Gaza whenever some racist wants to show that Israel can bomb goyim.

[quote][b][user]ErikWarmelink[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]LinkAurion[/user][/b] said: Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide.[/quote] Gaza is one of the most densely populated regions, but not [b]the[/b] most densely populated region. If one compares it to West Berlin, it's a bit smaller, but the USSR didn't bomb West Berlin. Israel bombs Gaza whenever some racist wants to show that Israel can bomb goyim.[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jan 24 2009, 10h37
LinkAurion demiş ki:

And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad.

And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims.

There is simply no excuse.

I'm not defending Israel , i think Israel did wrong ( like almost usual) ...Olmert and his friends should be locked into a room and than leave them stay hungry..

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]LinkAurion[/user][/b] demiş ki: And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad. And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims. There is simply no excuse.[/quote] I'm not defending Israel , i think Israel did wrong ( like almost usual) ...Olmert and his friends should be locked into a room and than leave them stay hungry..[quote]

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- sh_5t0rM disse...
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- Jan 25 2009, 15h49
I hate their system, but I have nothing against their religion (in theory, reality is fucked-up) nor against people.

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[quote][b][user]sh_5t0rM[/user][/b] disse: I hate their system, but I have nothing against their religion (in theory, reality is fucked-up) nor against people.[quote]

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- plz2008fast disse...
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- Jan 27 2009, 18h11
Very bad!

LinkAurion said:
Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide.

And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad.

And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims.

There is simply no excuse.

LinkAurion, you have said it all. Well done! I have to ask myself how can the Israelis do to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews? The world community gave them a home after the horror of the Holocaust and they have totally abused it. OK, the Arabs were perhaps wrong to attack Israel in 1948 after they declared their state, and the Arabs lost a lot through that.

But it doesn't give the Israelis the right to treat the Palestinians like Nazi victims. Have they learned nothing from their own suffering during WW II? How can you justify torturing a nation like this? Even Palestinian Arabs living within Israel are treated like second-class citizens.

Someone's going to come in here and say that these comments, and others above, are racist. That's crap. They're political. In any case, what can be more racist than having a single word for all those not of your race? Hebrew has that word: Gentile (at least in English) or 'goy', plural 'goyim'.

We're talking about sheer inhumanity to others here, not anti-Israeli racism.

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[quote][b][user]plz2008fast[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]LinkAurion[/user][/b] said: Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide. And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad. And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims. There is simply no excuse.[/quote] LinkAurion, you have said it all. Well done! I have to ask myself how can the Israelis do to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews? The world community gave them a home after the horror of the Holocaust and they have totally abused it. OK, the Arabs were perhaps wrong to attack Israel in 1948 after they declared their state, and the Arabs lost a lot through that. But it doesn't give the Israelis the right to treat the Palestinians like Nazi victims. Have they learned nothing from their own suffering during WW II? How can you justify torturing a nation like this? Even Palestinian Arabs living within Israel are treated like second-class citizens. Someone's going to come in here and say that these comments, and others above, are racist. That's crap. They're political. In any case, what can be more racist than having a single word for all those not of your race? Hebrew has that word: Gentile (at least in English) or 'goy', plural 'goyim'. We're talking about sheer inhumanity to others here, not anti-Israeli racism.[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jan 29 2009, 5h07
LinkAurion said:
eud_1558 said:
Well , i lived there and i have to say that their government made people sooo afraid of everything so they are reacting to everything..But i don't understand one thing ; they (unfortunately) saw the the worst genocide ever but they are doing almost the same thing to others.. This question has to be asked also to Hamas , they were all saying that they were a government but in this war they hided like rats and left 1,500,000 Gazans open to Israeli strike..Hamas is both liar and coward but at least Israel is not coward
Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide.

And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad.

And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims.

There is simply no excuse.
Very well said!
sh_5t0rM said:
I hate their system, but I have nothing against their religion (in theory, reality is fucked-up) nor against people.
What religion?
The existence of a Jewish state actually is strictly against the Torah!
Further to this is that it's actually a secular state...

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]LinkAurion[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]eud_1558[/user][/b] said: Well , i lived there and i have to say that their government made people sooo afraid of everything so they are reacting to everything..But i don't understand one thing ; they (unfortunately) saw the the worst genocide ever but they are doing almost the same thing to others.. This question has to be asked also to Hamas , they were all saying that they were a government but in this war they hided like rats and left 1,500,000 Gazans open to Israeli strike..Hamas is both liar and coward but at least Israel is not coward[/quote] Actually, Gaza is the most densely populated region on Earth. 1.5 million Palestinians are packed together, with the borders closed and nowhere to go. This is a policy of Israel, to trap everyone together, so there really is nowhere else to hide. And how is starving out 1.5 million people not at all bad, half of whom are children? I would say that is just as bad. And explain to me why Israel uses white phosphorous, uranium, cluster bombs, and DIME explosives? Gaza is used as a laboratory for testing new weapons, and Palestinian children are the victims. There is simply no excuse.[/quote] Very well said! [quote][b][user]sh_5t0rM[/user][/b] said: I hate their system, but I have nothing against their religion (in theory, reality is fucked-up) nor against people.[/quote] What religion? The existence of a Jewish state actually is strictly against the Torah! Further to this is that it's actually a secular state...[quote]

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- betsy72 disse...
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- Jan 30 2009, 0h42
I'm so glad to have found this discussion. I agree with what many of you said about Israel. Go to www.ijsn.net/home to see what Jews who are AGAINST this attack on Gaza are saying. You CAN criticize and be outraged by what Israel is doing without being antisemitic.

[quote][b][user]betsy72[/user][/b] disse: I'm so glad to have found this discussion. I agree with what many of you said about Israel. Go to www.ijsn.net/home to see what Jews who are AGAINST this attack on Gaza are saying. You CAN criticize and be outraged by what Israel is doing without being antisemitic.[quote]

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- plz2008fast disse...
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- Jan 31 2009, 20h32
betsy72 said:
You CAN criticize and be outraged by what Israel is doing without being antisemitic.

Sure you can, betsy72 - well said!

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[quote][b][user]plz2008fast[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]betsy72[/user][/b] said: You CAN criticize and be outraged by what Israel is doing without being antisemitic.[/quote] Sure you can, betsy72 - well said! [quote]

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- USSR_Angela disse...
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- Jan 31 2009, 23h33
I think, that Israel`s aggression was provocated to be by Gaza srtip.

Меч твой сверкает, как сильмарил во тьме
Враг отступает и слышен всем твой смех!
Меч твой сверкает, как пламенный твой взор
Смерть подступает, но бьется Феанор!

[quote][b][user]USSR_Angela[/user][/b] disse: I think, that Israel`s aggression was provocated to be by Gaza srtip. [quote]

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- bj_burger disse...
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- Fev 1 2009, 19h51
You cannot ask this question because it is flawed from the get-go. Israel can't be "bad or good." That's putting things in a way that is MUCH too simple and that does not represent reality even close. Point out the flaws, point out the pros, but in the end you can't really make an overall decision on good or bad. Same goes for every single thread that goes: "[Insert country name here]. Good or bad?"

"The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false." ~ Paul Johnson

[quote][b][user]bj_burger[/user][/b] disse: You cannot ask this question because it is flawed from the get-go. Israel can't be "bad or good." That's putting things in a way that is MUCH too simple and that does not represent reality even close. Point out the flaws, point out the pros, but in the end you can't really make an overall decision on good or bad. Same goes for every single thread that goes: "[Insert country name here]. Good or bad?"[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Fev 2 2009, 5h07
USSR_Angela said:
I think, that Israel`s aggression was provocated to be by Gaza srtip.

How?

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]USSR_Angela[/user][/b] said: I think, that Israel`s aggression was provocated to be by Gaza srtip. [/quote] How?[quote]

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- USSR_Angela disse...
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- Fev 2 2009, 16h23
Look in the 50s years of 20th century and u will see, that Gaza's terrorists attacked Israel at that times (by ex-member of Israel goverment)

Меч твой сверкает, как сильмарил во тьме
Враг отступает и слышен всем твой смех!
Меч твой сверкает, как пламенный твой взор
Смерть подступает, но бьется Феанор!

[quote][b][user]USSR_Angela[/user][/b] disse: Look in the 50s years of 20th century and u will see, that Gaza's terrorists attacked Israel at that times (by ex-member of Israel goverment)[quote]

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- LeviVdBogaard disse...
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- Fev 2 2009, 19h59
The guy who started this thread and anybody seriously responding to this ridiculous question is an idiot.

And I'm lost in the window And I hide in the stairway And I hang in the curtain And I sleep in your hat

[quote][b][user]LeviVdBogaard[/user][/b] disse: The guy who started this thread and anybody seriously responding to this ridiculous question is an idiot.[quote]

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- technoterra disse...
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- Fev 2 2009, 21h21
let the facts speak

Israel is a nation created on Arab land by the English as they got scared off by the terrorist tactics of the Jewish militia in the fifties which killed, bombed and expelled most of non Jewish people from within their self proclaimed, and ever expanding, borders. Israel receives unconditional support, mainly military and logistic, by the most aggressive imperialistic nation known to human history, the US. Israel disregarded many UN resolutions over the years which were intended to lessen the oppression by it and by its genocidal policies as they get exercised over the occupied territories and the people that live in them. I know that there are a lot of decent people living in Israel, but frankly they tend not to be portrayed a lot by the international press, and I can tell you that the majority of people I know hold an view of absolute horror and dismay at what Israel resort to in order to continue with its presence in an area of the world that would, otherwise be a place of peace and prosperity for all its inhabitants.

[quote][b][user]technoterra[/user][/b] disse: Israel is a nation created on Arab land by the English as they got scared off by the terrorist tactics of the Jewish militia in the fifties which killed, bombed and expelled most of non Jewish people from within their self proclaimed, and ever expanding, borders. Israel receives unconditional support, mainly military and logistic, by the most aggressive imperialistic nation known to human history, the US. Israel disregarded many UN resolutions over the years which were intended to lessen the oppression by it and by its genocidal policies as they get exercised over the occupied territories and the people that live in them. I know that there are a lot of decent people living in Israel, but frankly they tend not to be portrayed a lot by the international press, and I can tell you that the majority of people I know hold an view of absolute horror and dismay at what Israel resort to in order to continue with its presence in an area of the world that would, otherwise be a place of peace and prosperity for all its inhabitants. [quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Fev 3 2009, 22h02
Jews R Bad!

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: Jews R Bad![quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Fev 4 2009, 0h00
USSR_Angela said:
Look in the 50s years of 20th century and u will see, that Gaza's terrorists attacked Israel at that times (by ex-member of Israel goverment)
So Israel didn't provoke it at all?
They're completely innocent from the start?
They didn't push people off their lands?
Put them in detention centres?
Didn't kill anyone?

You're joking, USSR_Angel.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]USSR_Angela[/user][/b] said: Look in the 50s years of 20th century and u will see, that Gaza's terrorists attacked Israel at that times (by ex-member of Israel goverment)[/quote] So Israel didn't provoke it at all? They're completely innocent from the start? They didn't push people off their lands? Put them in detention centres? Didn't kill anyone? You're joking, USSR_Angel.[quote]

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- LiMe_mD disse...
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- Fev 4 2009, 22h05
What has modern Israel done from it's creation in the last century it's just plain evil.

[quote][b][user]LiMe_mD[/user][/b] disse: What has modern Israel done from it's creation in the last century it's just plain evil.[quote]

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- LiMe_mD disse...
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- Fev 4 2009, 22h13
Sayf-Udeen said:

You're joking, USSR_Angel.

I think USSR_Angela wanted to just post a quote from a exmember of israeli government, to show the view of these people, and the blaming they always put up on palestinian community.

[quote][b][user]LiMe_mD[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]Sayf-Udeen[/user][/b] said: You're joking, USSR_Angel.[/quote] I think USSR_Angela wanted to just post a quote from a exmember of israeli government, to show the view of these people, and the blaming they always put up on palestinian community.[quote]

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- DJ_Libaman disse...
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- Fev 8 2009, 11h43
No offence here, but it's cruel have 1.5 million Palestinians packed in, miles away from the West Bank... the Israelis have committed genocide by bombarding the Gaza Strip. And the thing is, with every oppressed country you'll get a resistance-look at the IRA for example, except they're scum.
It would've been a lot easier if all the Israelis went back to their country of origin, except of course the Beitars & the Israeli Arabs.

[quote][b][user]DJ_Libaman[/user][/b] disse: No offence here, but it's cruel have 1.5 million Palestinians packed in, miles away from the West Bank... the Israelis have committed genocide by bombarding the Gaza Strip. And the thing is, with every oppressed country you'll get a resistance-look at the IRA for example, except they're scum. It would've been a lot easier if all the Israelis went back to their country of origin, except of course the Beitars & the Israeli Arabs.[quote]

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- Djmz2002 disse...
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- Fev 8 2009, 13h57
well, this is what I think. Israel doesn't deserve to be there, because the bible is not a history book, and Moses either. Also, without Israel, the Middle East would be in peace. and, like someone already said, if they have been genocided from other people, it does not mean they can do that to others. I hate wars. and this is exactly what Israel is doing. They are trying to get the bible so called "State of Israel", this is all about. I am sorry to say that, but now Israel is just like Germany, 70 years ago.

[quote][b][user]Djmz2002[/user][/b] disse: well, this is what I think. Israel doesn't deserve to be there, because the bible is not a history book, and Moses either. Also, without Israel, the Middle East would be in peace. and, like someone already said, if they have been genocided from other people, it does not mean they can do that to others. I hate wars. and this is exactly what Israel is doing. They are trying to get the bible so called "State of Israel", this is all about. I am sorry to say that, but now Israel is just like Germany, 70 years ago.[quote]

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