CryptoFa Zeitung: Anniversary of Heydrich’s assassination....

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- Jun 3 2008, 22h01
CryptoFa Zeitung: Anniversary of Heydrich’s assassination....

Anniversary of Heydrich’s assassination marked by unveiling of first monument on site

By Rosie Johnston

Veterans, military personnel and politicians turned out on Tuesday to commemorate the anniversary of Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich’s assassination. After 66 years, the two British-trained Czechoslovak paratroopers who carried out the killing were dedicated a monument at the site where the daring assassination took place. But what took so long?

Photo: Michal Šula, MAFA, 27.05.08 Photo: Michal Šula, MAFA, 27.05.08

V Holešovičkách in Prague 8 is one of the capital’s busiest thoroughfares. Cars and lorries zoom by at speeds of up to 100 kilometers an hour. But it was on this spot in 1942 that Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich’s car slowed to turn a sharp bend, exposing the Nazi leader to attack. Jan Kubiš and Josef Gabčík were lying in wait for Heydrich, they threw a grenade at his car. The senior Nazi died eight days later from the wounds that he sustained.

On the 66th anniversary of Heydrich’s assassination, the beginnings of a monument to commemorate Operation Anthropoid - and the pair who carried it out - is being unveiled. Bagpipers, dressed in the uniform of the Royal Scots Fusiliers, play to the assembled crowds:

Photo: Liben, the place of the assassination.

“We are here because [Gabčík and Kubiš] were trained in Scotland, so we are here as representatives of Scotland.”

Following on from Heydrich’s assassination, the Nazis took revenge. They destroyed the villages of Ležáky and Lidice, through which, they said, the assassins escaped. Kubiš and Gabčík knew that such retaliation could be expected, and some have asked whether the assassination was the right thing to do. Jiří Pitín was one of the few to survive the Lidice massacre. At Tuesday’s ceremony he was ambivalent:

Photo: Lidice, 1942

“From the point of view of the resistance, this was certainly an act of heroism. But of course, for those who were affected by the repercussions of their actions, well, maybe they weren’t quite as enthusiastic about it. I’m here today because this is where the Lidice tragedy began really.”

The crowds clap as the foundation stone of the monument is revealed. This is the first such memorial to be erected on the site of the assassination. I asked the mayor of this part of Prague, Josef Nosek, what had taken so long:

Photo: Barbora Kmentová

“For the first 50, almost 60 years following on from the event, no monument was built because the communist regime didn’t want there to be one. And then people felt ashamed that they hadn’t built a monument to Operation Anthropoid before. But under communism, only Soviet forces were commemorated, and because these two were trained in Britain – the communists found them unacceptable.”

Vladimíra Ludková led the drive to have a monument to Operation Anthropoid built on this site.

“I feel, like every Czech, that I have a very intensive relationship with Operation Anthropoid, with the attack upon Heydrich, and with the consequences of this attack.”

At the moment, only a foundation stone can be seen alongside the motorway, but a competition has been launched to find a sculpture to furnish the site. Mrs Ludková and other members of the monument committee hope to find a winner by Wednesday morning, for unveiling next year.

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[quote][b][user]Coffinwood_Mill[/user][/b] disse: [b]Anniversary of Heydrich’s assassination marked by unveiling of first monument on site[/b] [quote] By Rosie Johnston Veterans, military personnel and politicians turned out on Tuesday to commemorate the anniversary of Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich’s assassination. After 66 years, the two British-trained Czechoslovak paratroopers who carried out the killing were dedicated a monument at the site where the daring assassination took place. But what took so long? [img]http://img.radio.cz/pictures/c/noviny/atentat_pamatnik.jpg[/img] [i]Photo: Michal Šula, MAFA, 27.05.08 Photo: Michal Šula, MAFA, 27.05.08[/i] V Holešovičkách in Prague 8 is one of the capital’s busiest thoroughfares. Cars and lorries zoom by at speeds of up to 100 kilometers an hour. But it was on this spot in 1942 that Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich’s car slowed to turn a sharp bend, exposing the Nazi leader to attack. Jan Kubiš and Josef Gabčík were lying in wait for Heydrich, they threw a grenade at his car. The senior Nazi died eight days later from the wounds that he sustained. On the 66th anniversary of Heydrich’s assassination, the beginnings of a monument to commemorate Operation Anthropoid - and the pair who carried it out - is being unveiled. Bagpipers, dressed in the uniform of the Royal Scots Fusiliers, play to the assembled crowds: [img]http://img.radio.cz/pictures/historie/heydrich_liben.jpg[/img] [i]Photo: Liben, the place of the assassination.[/i] [i]“We are here because [Gabčík and Kubiš] were trained in Scotland, so we are here as representatives of Scotland.”[/i] Following on from Heydrich’s assassination, the Nazis took revenge. They destroyed the villages of Ležáky and Lidice, through which, they said, the assassins escaped. Kubiš and Gabčík knew that such retaliation could be expected, and some have asked whether the assassination was the right thing to do. Jiří Pitín was one of the few to survive the Lidice massacre. At Tuesday’s ceremony he was ambivalent: [img]http://img.radio.cz/pictures/lidice/lidice.jpg[/img] [i]Photo: Lidice, 1942[/i] [i]“From the point of view of the resistance, this was certainly an act of heroism. But of course, for those who were affected by the repercussions of their actions, well, maybe they weren’t quite as enthusiastic about it. I’m here today because this is where the Lidice tragedy began really.”[/i] The crowds clap as the foundation stone of the monument is revealed. This is the first such memorial to be erected on the site of the assassination. I asked the mayor of this part of Prague, Josef Nosek, what had taken so long: [img]http://img.radio.cz/pictures/r/historie/anthropoid_kobylisy_pomnik3.jpg[/img] [i]Photo: Barbora Kmentová[/i] [i] “For the first 50, almost 60 years following on from the event, no monument was built because the communist regime didn’t want there to be one. And then people felt ashamed that they hadn’t built a monument to Operation Anthropoid before. But under communism, only Soviet forces were commemorated, and because these two were trained in Britain – the communists found them unacceptable.”[/i] Vladimíra Ludková led the drive to have a monument to Operation Anthropoid built on this site. [i]“I feel, like every Czech, that I have a very intensive relationship with Operation Anthropoid, with the attack upon Heydrich, and with the consequences of this attack.”[/i] At the moment, only a foundation stone can be seen alongside the motorway, but a competition has been launched to find a sculpture to furnish the site. Mrs Ludková and other members of the monument committee hope to find a winner by Wednesday morning, for unveiling next year. [/quote][quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jun 5 2008, 19h53
I can understand them, really.

Yet, I think that Heydrich was one of the most interesting and fascinating NS celebrities.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: I can understand them, really. Yet, I think that Heydrich was one of the most interesting and fascinating NS celebrities.[quote]

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- viceroy disse...
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- Jun 6 2008, 0h34
Is it just conjecture that Heydrich's assasination was planned by Himmler or is there historical evidence for that?

[quote][b][user]viceroy[/user][/b] disse: Is it just conjecture that Heydrich's assasination was planned by Himmler or is there historical evidence for that?[quote]

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- Jun 6 2008, 12h57
viceroy said:
Is it just conjecture that Heydrich's assasination was planned by Himmler or is there historical evidence for that?
As Heydrich was known for keeping files about just ANY Reich official in his safe ("just in case", as he always said), it is right that Himmler - amongst others - was to a certain degree afraid of him, but there is no proof that he actually planned Heydrich's death.

Yet, he was in some ways responsible for Reinhard's death, as he kept the Czech medics away from him and placed armed SS guards next to his bed until German SS medics from Berlin arrived, which was too late to save the Reich Protector from his fatal sepsis.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]viceroy[/user][/b] said: Is it just conjecture that Heydrich's assasination was planned by Himmler or is there historical evidence for that?[/quote] As Heydrich was known for keeping files about just ANY Reich official in his safe ("just in case", as he always said), it is right that Himmler - amongst others - was to a certain degree afraid of him, but there is no proof that he actually planned Heydrich's death. Yet, he was in some ways responsible for Reinhard's death, as he kept the Czech medics away from him and placed armed SS guards next to his bed until German SS medics from Berlin arrived, which was too late to save the Reich Protector from his fatal sepsis.[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jun 7 2008, 8h17
vred sagte:
I can understand them, really.

Yet, I think that Heydrich was one of the most interesting and fascinating NS celebrities.

seconded. i wonder what would have happened if he would have replaced Himmler as Reichsführer SS. Probably not that much in terms of cruelty or genocide. But he did get good results beating the Czech resistance at first. Being a firm believer in the policy of "Peitsche und Hönig" (whip and honey) he soon got a certain degree of stability and order into the Reichsprotectorate which failed to materialise in other occupied countries.
The Brits reckoned that if he were to be assassinated the Germans would hit back hard which in turn would make the Czech people more likely to revolt.

0 Kelvin = politics...

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]Vred[/user][/b] sagte: I can understand them, really. Yet, I think that Heydrich was one of the most interesting and fascinating NS celebrities.[/quote] seconded. i wonder what would have happened if he would have replaced Himmler as Reichsführer SS. Probably not that much in terms of cruelty or genocide. But he did get good results beating the Czech resistance at first. Being a firm believer in the policy of "Peitsche und Hönig" (whip and honey) he soon got a certain degree of stability and order into the Reichsprotectorate which failed to materialise in other occupied countries. The Brits reckoned that if he were to be assassinated the Germans would hit back hard which in turn would make the Czech people more likely to revolt. 0 Kelvin = politics...[quote]

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- EBM_Head disse...
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- Jun 7 2008, 13h06
whip and honey = Zuckerbrot und Peitsche :)

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[quote][b][user]EBM_Head[/user][/b] disse: whip and honey = Zuckerbrot und Peitsche :)[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jun 7 2008, 15h42
vladimirowich said:
The Brits reckoned that if he were to be assassinated the Germans would hit back hard which in turn would make the Czech people more likely to revolt.
Right. As stated in London's Imperial War Museum about Operation Anthropoid, Heydrich was the only Nazi leader the Brits deemed so dangerous that they needed him dead.

But I think it was bullshit when Ralph Giordano stated that, if he had lived, Heydrich would probably have become Hitler's heir...

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]vladimirowich[/user][/b] said: The Brits reckoned that if he were to be assassinated the Germans would hit back hard which in turn would make the Czech people more likely to revolt.[/quote] Right. As stated in London's Imperial War Museum about Operation Anthropoid, Heydrich was the only Nazi leader the Brits deemed so dangerous that they needed him dead. But I think it was bullshit when Ralph Giordano stated that, if he had lived, Heydrich would probably have become Hitler's heir...[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jun 9 2008, 8h21
EBM_Head said:
whip and honey = Zuckerbrot und Peitsche :)

True...:-)
i knew i was wrong on that one but couldn't remember what the correct expression was.
:-))

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]EBM_Head[/user][/b] said: whip and honey = Zuckerbrot und Peitsche :)[/quote] True...:-) i knew i was wrong on that one but couldn't remember what the correct expression was. :-))[quote]

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- sebbo_nl disse...
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- Jun 25 2008, 11h51
I agree, Vred.

Heydrich was too much of a psychopath to have survived for long without Hitler's backing. Everyone, from Bohrmann to Goering, was to some extent afraid of Heydrich, so the moment Hitler wouldve fallen away he would've been eliminated. He would never have been allowed to become Hitler's sucessor

The rules of coping with me:
1. I am on medication. What's your excuse?
2. I resent the term "hypocrite". I'd rather be called "morally ambivalent".
3. In my little world, I'm always right!

[quote][b][user]sebbo_nl[/user][/b] disse: I agree, Vred. Heydrich was too much of a psychopath to have survived for long without Hitler's backing. Everyone, from Bohrmann to Goering, was to some extent afraid of Heydrich, so the moment Hitler wouldve fallen away he would've been eliminated. He would never have been allowed to become Hitler's sucessor[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jun 26 2008, 13h17
Well, the question is whether they would have been successful or not.

I guess with him in total control of the RSHA and officers like Schellenberg totally loyal to him, he would rather have launched an SS coup d'etat than have himself arrested (not to mention that HE was in control of SD which would have been the service of choice if one of the party celebrities wanted him arrested or eliminated...).

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: Well, the question is whether they would have been successful or not. I guess with him in total control of the RSHA and officers like Schellenberg totally loyal to him, he would rather have launched an SS coup d'etat than have himself arrested (not to mention that HE was in control of SD which would have been the service of choice if one of the party celebrities wanted him arrested or eliminated...).[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jun 30 2008, 8h01
Speaking of good ol' Reinhard:

Today's the 74. anniversary of the Night of the Long Knives.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: Speaking of good ol' Reinhard: Today's the 74. anniversary of the Night of the Long Knives.[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jul 28 2008, 1h30
Thanks for all the info everyone, I always considered him to be one of the "All Stars" of Das III. Reich ;)

But EVERYONE was afraid of Der Fuhrer, so there would of been no IV. Reich, like the joke at the time went (according to a documentary i saw)

God, 74 years after Operation Hummingbird we are still fascinated :)

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: Thanks for all the info everyone, I always considered him to be one of the "All Stars" of Das III. Reich ;) But EVERYONE was afraid of Der Fuhrer, so there would of been no IV. Reich, like the joke at the time went (according to a documentary i saw) God, 74 years after Operation Hummingbird we are still fascinated :)[quote]

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- [Usuário excluído] disse...
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- Jul 28 2008, 15h31
op8ted said:
God, 74 years after Operation Hummingbird we are still fascinated :)
Of course we are, for this is (a) Fasci-Nation... ;D

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]op8ted[/user][/b] said: God, 74 years after Operation Hummingbird we are still fascinated :)[/quote] Of course we are, for this is (a) Fasci-Nation... ;D [quote]

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- halleglitter disse...
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- Dez 1 2011, 16h28
The Truth

The truth is that Heydrich, and the Reich, were the best thing to ever happen to Bohemia and Moravia. They had always been a part of Germany anyhow, and under Heydrich's Protektorship they had things better than they had ever had them before; czech workers even got vacations for the first time, and widows didin't have to worry about lacking anything. The reason Heydrich was killed? He was a great and successful leader who was winning the hearts and souls of the czechs.You only had something to worry about if you were a criminal: a resistance person or a black marketeer. He also stated, in the hospital after he was attacked, that if he died he wanted no repercussions taken against the czechs. So despite what traditional history books want people to believe, he had nothing to do with Lidice or Lesaky.

[quote][b][user]halleglitter[/user][/b] disse: The truth is that Heydrich, and the Reich, were the best thing to ever happen to Bohemia and Moravia. They had always been a part of Germany anyhow, and under Heydrich's Protektorship they had things better than they had ever had them before; czech workers even got vacations for the first time, and widows didin't have to worry about lacking anything. The reason Heydrich was killed? He was a great and successful leader who was winning the hearts and souls of the czechs.You only had something to worry about if you were a criminal: a resistance person or a black marketeer. He also stated, in the hospital after he was attacked, that if he died he wanted no repercussions taken against the czechs. So despite what traditional history books want people to believe, he had nothing to do with Lidice or Lesaky.[quote]

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CryptoFa Zeitung: Anniversary of Heydrich’s assassination....

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