Black crypto metal?

This is not so easy to determine. While there are bands like Absurd who are openly National Socialist, there are many bands who play mostly (neo)pagan metal, like the wonderful Темнозорь from Russia. Yet their members are neonazis. Then there are bands like Graveland and perhaps even Drudkh, whose music contains little to no references to nazism, yet whose members very likely are neonazis of some kind.

Well, that Marduk comes to mind, but I'm not familiar with them. I don't really no any others, but there should be some bands like that. It seems, however, that usually when a metal band has a nazi image, it is some kind of a declaration of ideology...

I can't believe I forgot about Loits. They fit the cryptofa image prefectly; they talk about WWII and Estonia's part in it, and even dress as Estonian SS soldiers in their album art. Yet they are by no means nazis or the like, they simply use the WWII-era imagery to rise discussion about a part of Estonian history.

Yep, I was going to suggest Loits too. Cryptofa to the bone.

Gorebatjov said:
But they claim that they aren't right winged at all. Are the lying? Or are they cryptofa to the bone? ;)

Well, I think that it comes down to whether or not they are right wing. If they are, but are for some reason lying about it by saying that they aren't, then they aren't cryptofa. But if they indeed aren't right wing and have no special pro-Nazi sentiments, then they are cryptofa, at least based on your description. (I don't know the band myself).

You could add Skyforger to the artist connections.They use swatikas but they are just Pagans.

You could debate about adding ZZ-Top as well. I mean, look at their logo. Isn't that "ZZ" just an SS-rune turned round?
Lots of bands use/used WWII/nazi imagery, without ever mentioning politics in their songs.

Hmm,add Kawir.They are a great Greek Black Metal band that sings about Hellenic culture,religion and traditions.Nevertheless,they are not right-winged.

So... the shoutbox was filled with comments about Burzum. According to my information Burzum isn't a nazi or rascist band, but bandleader Varg is. On the other hand am I not a big fan of black metal, so my info insn't everything.

Someone else knows what's the real deal behind Burzum?

To conclude, Burzum should be here.

Even that Nazi means Nationalsozialist, most Nazis are very against any kind of socialist ideas. In early Nazigermany there have been leftwing Nazis, like the SA, the NSBO, the Strasser Brothers and even the sneaky Goebbels (who later changed side). Those was fighting for better working conditions, against unemployment and mostly weren't antisemitic. But around 30th June 1934 they all have been eliminated or put to silience. After that only the rightwing Nazis did rule and everything became more nationalistic, antisemitic, racistic and totalitarian. Today it isn't any different: There are lots of unemployed people or some of the lowest worker class that are very dissappointed of the socialist movement, that vote right wing parties because they think if someone kicks out all foreigners they would have better chances in life. Thats what those rightwing partys preach, but they don't have any interrest in doing any social changes for the better of the working class. All they are up to is rebuilding a racist totalitarian regime with all it's corruption and nepotism that comes along to such system.

Another interresting term is Fascism. The italian fascist movement was in the beginning an anticommunist/antisocialist, conservative, patriotic and antiwar (!) movement. It later became step by step authoritarian, nationalistic, rascistic, expansive and antisemitic and thats why the word fascism has a bad smell nowadadays.

I better stop, as this thread is about Black Metal and not about politics...

Well, I'm in the metalscene to and I don't see a lot of bands who actually 'preach' fascism or national socialism in their songs, but are (extreme) right winged as persons. I think most of the metal musicians don't really have the urge to add politics to their lyrics. Maybe it's getting to complicated for them if they did ;)