Heavy metal communist?

Dio's pretty left wing...
"The world is full of kings and queens who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams/They'll tell you black is really white, the moon is just the sun at night, and when you walk through golden halls you'll get to keep the gold that falls" (Heaven and Hell)
That's a comment on capitalism and gentrification... he's saying that one of the lies they'll tell you is that if you are surrounded by wealth, that it will in turn influence and inspire you to rise to that level (you get to keep the gold that falls from the wealthy). Also, Sepultura, Testament, D.R.I. and Anthrax are all left-wing. Black Sabbath too... Motorhead is anti-authoritarian... Theres this german thrash band named Rumble Militia that are openly communist. Also the supergroup Brujeria are also openly communist and sympathetic to the Zapatistas. Dying Fetus is radical left... so is Misery Index. Brutal Truth. Terrorizer. Benumb. Cephalic Carnage. Assuck. Napalm Death. Extreme Noise Terror. Crust bands like Amebix, Disrupt, Anti-Cimex, and GISM: I don't see why any metalhead wouldn't like those...
I don't know about any pagan metal bands that are left wing though... I mean, if you think about it, going back to your pagan roots for musical inspiration is pretty nationalist... I feel you man because I really like a lot of folk black metal and viking metal and they really do tend to be right wing... Maybe you should check out Hedningarna, they're a swedish folk rock band (Finntroll actually covered one of their songs)... they're just a bunch of harmless hippies...

Skyclad are a British pagan and folk-metal band with left-wing views. Most of their songs have an openly political message.

How is it possible to be "satanic" and "communist" at the same time ?

Marxism & Leninism are materialism, satanism as a religious belief have nothing to do with it.

Can you explain to me ?

Come on... this is bla bla bla... Not serious and anti-scientific... Are you kidding me ?

Not really BM, but DeathMetal and Grindcore: Napalm Death are absolutely left wing.
e.g. "Nazi Punks Fuck Off"-cover, original by Dead Kennedys
Edit: not to forget: Sepultura and Soulfly

deepfriedbrain said:
Dio's pretty left wing...
"The world is full of kings and queens who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams/They'll tell you black is really white, the moon is just the sun at night, and when you walk through golden halls you'll get to keep the gold that falls" (Heaven and Hell)
That's a comment on capitalism and gentrification... he's saying that one of the lies they'll tell you is that if you are surrounded by wealth, that it will in turn influence and inspire you to rise to that level (you get to keep the gold that falls from the wealthy).
Seriously you can't say he' s left wing just because of lyrics from one song.

tc-obo demiş ki:
maarnaden said:
How is it possible to be "satanic" and "communist" at the same time ?

Marxism & Leninism are materialism, satanism as a religious belief have nothing to do with it.

Can you explain to me ?

Communism isn't all about Marx - there are religious communists; in fact, Jesus himself had some pretty far left opinions and the apostles lived in what can only be described as a left-wing commune - all property held in common etc. So in theory nothing is stopping someone "satanic" also being communist - though the Satanism proper of LaVey would probably be pretty opposed to the communist goal.


I don't think this is true.. Infact marxism is stands on materialism, so marxism is giving the answers in materialistic way. May be it's true that some people say I'm communist and satanist. I can say nothing, he/she thinks him/her self like this. But there's something must be understand: Religion -any type of it- is always used by capitalist govern's to control the proleteria. Also religion -any type of it- is a evolutional instinct, as a darwinist way. (Richard Dawkins' book are good to understand this darwinist thinking style. He is giving this messages with scientific proofs).

In conclusion, in communism, there will be no government and class conflict. So there will be no religion or anything refers to exploitation.

And, a materialist person, in my opnion, does not include both of these thinking style: idealist way and materialist way. (Ref. George Politzer's Materialism book) He/she must choose one of them. But it does not mean he/she can not want to live in a socialist country/world. Being socialist, doesn't mean being communist. These are different notions.

Anyway, i'm a traditional marxist, and my borders not suitable for everyone. I hope this could be an answer to maarbaden and tc-obo.

BUT SOME RIGHT-WINGS LYRICS, SOMETIMES, ARE TOO MUCH. IMPERIALISTS OR NATIONALISTS, EVEN NAZIS...SOME BANDS IN LYRICS ARE EVEN MARXISTS, BUT ARTISTICALLY SPEAKING, ARE MEDIOCRE OR LESS, THEY JUSTS GOT FANS BECAUSE THEIR IDEOLOGY...

It should also be mentioned that Satanism - the Church of Satan's variety, anyway - is avowedly materialistic and atheistic. They worship the ego and the flesh, and eschew supernatural beliefs as "spiritual pipe-dreams." Rather than worship Satan as an actual supernatural being, they see him as an archetype, a mythical figure, and a symbol of that which they admire in human nature. So there's no conflict with materialism there.

Where they really come into conflict with Marxism (and communism as a larger concept) is in their values and view of human society. Satanists are, above all, fierce individualists of the dog-eat-dog capitalist variety, bordering on Social Darwinists. The Church of Satan claims not to endorse any particular political ideology, and to comprise communists, fascists, and everything in between, but it's pretty clear from the values and attitudes laid out in the Satanic Bible that any consistent Satanist would scorn communism. It's full of talk about elitism, how "might makes right," and how the strong should dominate the weak. There's also this nugget from LaVey's "five-point program" for "Satanic change to take place."

Stratification—The point on which all the others ultimately rest. There can be no more myth of “equality” for all—it only translates to “mediocrity” and supports the weak at the expense of the strong. Water must be allowed to seek its own level without interference from apologists for incompetence. No one should be protected from the effects of his own stupidity.

LaVeyan Satanism has also been described as "Ayn Rand's Objectivism with diabolical window dressing."

...

If you're looking for leftist (or even centrist) black metal, you're out of luck. Black metal is arguably more about the ideology than the music, though bands like Wolves in the Throne Room may be a bit less obnoxious, and have a roughly black metal sound.

Death metal is more explicitly nihilistic, and rarely offers any particular values, either to the left or right.

Grindcore, though, if you have the ears for it, is fairly glutted with left-wing bands (mostly anarchists), many of whom have already been mentioned, thanks largely to its hardcore punk roots.

For a pagan / folk sound, Skyclad has been mentioned. Maybe not communist, but certainly center-left. They've got a bit more hard rock in them than what is usually called "folk metal," though, so if you're looking for something that sounds like a left version of Graveland, you're kinda screwed.

this -> Эшелон
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=124424

maarnaden said:
How is it possible to be "satanic" and "communist" at the same time ?

Marxism & Leninism are materialism, satanism as a religious belief have nothing to do with it.

Can you explain to me ?

Satanism holds no rules on political affiliation. So you will find people of all political views as satanists. So it is possible to find Satanic Communists. Especially considering many of them are leftists and freethinkers.

There does seem to be a great number of them, however, that advocate elitism, and in turn, a capitalist(and sometimes even fascist) view on society, mostly from the Laveyan school of thought. Trying to impose an idea of Social Darwinism and Lex Talionis(an eye for an eye). However, these are not necessarily the norm, and there are even groups within the Laveyan circle that disagree with the notion of superiority, and social darwinism.

On the subject of metal, tho many bands may not necessarily be communist, there seems to be a prevailing view throughout metal, punk, and avant-garde music that is increasingly anti-authoritarian, disestablishmentarian, and leftist. So I'd be pretty surprised if there weren't that many communists or socialists in the metal genre.

At the same time, metal is also emerging as a popular genre, and metal musicians(at least the more popular ones) make tons money off of selling their records to capitalist consumers, so who knows?

No communist artists in particular spring to mind, but then, I don't really listen to musicians based on their personal opinions or political views. Unless they're openly expressing rascist lyrics or something, than I try to make it a point not to listen to them.

deepfriedbrain said:
Also the supergroup Brujeria are also openly communist and sympathetic to the Zapatistas...
Fist of all I´m Mexican, so as the band is, and they do support the Zapatistas, but the Zapaptistas are not Commies, they are anarchists. And then look at the lyrics of the song revolution, and you´ll see that they are against commies, since they criticize, in this song, the commies by saying, Commies are the same as the PRI is, and that, is not a nice compliment if you live in Mexico, since the PRI is the most corrupt party alongside with the PAN in Mexico, and then again they have a song called anti-Castro, which openly says, they are against Fidel Castro, so they are definitely not commies, maybe anarchist but commies, hell no. What I really think is, you cannot take Brujeria serious, since those guys write lots of lyrics which are simply bullshit.
Here are the lyrics for Revolucion

Oigan oh se chingan,
no sean pendejos,
el govierno de Mexico ya vale madre,
P.R.I manda todo, son comunistas,
indios y pobres no tienen chansa.

Donde estan todos los topos?,
en la selva ya estan, en la ciudad,
hay que comensar, hay que meterse en cada rincon.

Cabrones del P.R.I---Comumismo
Despierten todos---Revolucion
Con Machetes---Armensen
Ejercitos indios---Zapatistas
Comandante Marcos---Mandanos
Cubre tu cara---Subterraneo
Son topos guerrilleros---Revolucion
Son topos locos---Revolucion

Viva Zapata!
Viva Chiapas!
Viva Mexico!
Viva la Revolucion!

Cabrones del P.R.I---Comumismo
Despierten todos---Revolucion
Con Machetes---Armensen
Ejercitos indios---Zapatistas

Viva Zapata!
Viva Chiapas!
Viva Mexico!
Viva la Revolucion!

No sean coyones,
agansen hombres,
ya la empesaron,
hay que acabarlo
quieren ser ratas?
oh quieren ser hombre?
si no es pa ti,
por tus hijos!

(2x)
Comunismo
Satanismo
P.R.I es lo Mismo.

(4X)
!SATANISMO!

And here those for anti-Castro
El padre
Silenciado artista
Refugiado comunista
Calzones de guía
Pa los yanqui caía
En barco de llanta
Rezando por vida
En la tierra chocó
American citizen?
Hermano Cubano
En país Mexicano
Buscando salida
De ser comunista
Hermanos balseros
Mickey mouse marineros
Mi papi chingón
Me comió tiburón
México me liberó
Cuando Castro ganó
No soy 'American'
Viva México cabrón
Gobierno cubano
Por que tan culero
Con nada de nuevo
Aguantan o muero
Hoy soy! Anti-Castro!!