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• minutz3 escreveu:
  5 horas atrás

  WisdomsSquire: well, it is a hard thing to actually understand the Bible for one thing. You have really all kinds of interpretations around the world of the Scriptures. The thing about perfect grace also, Luther did indeed throw away a very crucial thing for salvation for many people. The Sacrament of Reconciliation. Popularly know as Confession. That is very important, as otherwise we have to make a perfect act of contrition, which is very hard. The other possibility is to never ever commit a sin willingfully... There are some people that can do this, but most can't. What this Sacrament does is that it helps us poor people and makes up for what we lack ourselves so that we may be cleansed. Jesus gave this mission to His apostles, to forgive sins. That's the power the Bishop's in the Catholic Church has, and the Holy Priests are their helpers.

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• minutz3 escreveu:
  5 horas atrás

  boodomi: I just thing that have happened to me once, or twice or so... It's very rare, maybe because I chew it, as it says in Scriptures.

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• minutz3 escreveu:
  5 horas atrás

  For once I think we actually agree the_gray_fox :-P As a Catholic I do of course recognize the Orthodox Church in a way, although it is not in full communion with the true Church. From what I've understood you usually have those "cookies" as well..

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• the_gray_fox escreveu:
  8 horas atrás

  Your question could have been the same for the Orthodox Church, WisdomSquire. You're right, even those that do not belong to the true Church (for me: Orthodoxy)) may be saved and may even be granted His Grace. But why not follow the true Church, since it's...true? The fact that you can earn Salvation outside the true Church does not mean that you have to close your eyes to the truth.

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• WisdomsSquire escreveu:
  10 horas atrás

  Let me add, I'm not trying to attack you personally minutz, I'm just searching for answers and clarifications. It's just that the Roman Catholic Church seems to get in the way of the perfect Grace of God. Grace that was given to us despite anything we have done. Perhaps I am wrong?

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• WisdomsSquire escreveu:
  12 horas atrás

  @minutz: "The Catholic Church will, and always has stated that the Catholic Church is the only way to salvation that we can be sure of" John 14:5-7 records this conversation: Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Again, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." So I ask, what crucial facility can the pope and the catholic church fulfill when it is stated that salvation comes through Jesus Christ and his sacrifice alone? What else do we as sinners need add to be saved?

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• roots-roy escreveu:
  ontem à tarde

  http://www.lastfm.de/group/Christian+Unity

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• boodomi escreveu:
  ontem à tarde

  Yeah.."cookies" which stuck on your mouth and wont leave there until they melt :D

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• the_gray_fox escreveu:
  ontem à tarde

  Minutz3, I found those cookies. ;)

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• the_gray_fox escreveu:
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  I competely agree with your last comments about committing crimes in the name of religion or a political system, but I'm not sure about the title. For example, we're still using the word "Hades" in Christianity, but it's not like Homer's; the translators just couldn't find any other words to describe Sheol in Greek. Why can't it be the same with "High Priest"?

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• Ikikid escreveu:
  ontem à tarde

  I have a question for all of you: Did Lord preach in Latin? Did Lord preach in Greek? In Russian? No, he spoke to the people of Judea in a Semitic tongue... So, this is one of the greatest problems about 'one family' and 'direct approach'. Why do Popes still have a PAGAN title? Huh? Pontifex maximus was one of the titles of all Roman emperors, meaning 'High Priest'. So, I believe this whole story really damages the original, Jerusalem-based Holy Church, and is used, and abused by those who had for centuries fought only for absolutist power and control over the Christian populace. As for the ROC role in supporting Stalinist regime in Russia, I will not stand in defense of that. Creed has nothing to do with politics. And Communism has nothing to do with what certain people did in the name of it. Otherwise, let's outlaw both - all Christians and all Communists, for Crusades and Gulags. I mean, look, you could also say, why didn't Russian Church stop pogroms of Jews before WWII?

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• the_gray_fox escreveu:
  Quinta à tarde

  Suppose Peter did left a successor. How does that justify his theological and moral infallibility?

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• minutz3 escreveu:
  Quinta de manhã

  WisdomsSquire: the Catholic Church will, and always has stated that the Catholic Church is the only way to salvation that we can be sure of. The Church does however aknowledge that there may be ways to salvation that only God knows about. But we can only be sure that He is present and is protecting the Church that His Son layed the ground for, with Saint Peter as its first pope.

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• WisdomsSquire escreveu:
  Quinta de manhã

  @minutz Do you agree with this statement, contained in a statement authorized by the pope: “These ecclesial communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called churches in the proper sense,” Full Article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2056515.ece Is the roman catholic church saying that only they are the true messengers of Christ?

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• minutz3 escreveu:
  Quarta à tarde

  the_gray_fox: I don't really get where you're going with this, but it is bread that we get, that is transformed into the flesh and body of our Lord. The Church has outlawed anything else than bread based on wheat for example, because otherwise it would not be the same thing as our Lord used, we think.

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• minutz3 escreveu:
  Quarta à tarde

  Ikikid: it does matter very much indeed if you look in Scriptures. That is, Jesus appointed ONE apostle to have a specific role. Jesus says that he has the keys to Heaven for example. We Catholics can say that we have a direct line from Saint Peter to Benedict XVI, and it is indeed a function instituted by Jesus Christ Himself. The Russian Orthodox Church will probably soon recognise this, although I am not that fond of the Russian Orthodox Church considering how they did help the Communist regime... That's another problem with the Orthodox Church. It is so bound to a specific area, while the Catholic Church truly is universal. You belong to the same family no matter where you go in the world.

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• the_gray_fox escreveu:
  Quarta à tarde

  Wasn't it the Cahtolic Church that replaced the bread on the Eucharist with cookies? Well, you know, "cookies". :P

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• Ikikid escreveu:
  Quarta de manhã

  about ecumenism. just watched a interview on tv with Catholic bishop of Banjaluka (it's in Bosnia, ex Yugoslavia, capitol city of the Serbian entity). He said openly about it: we catholics had the Second Vatican council, and we have agreed over ecumenism, but Eastern Christians did not... and when I spoke with some of the Orthodox bishops who were against ecumenism, they said that they could not do something that opposes their own creed and beliefs. For me, Pope is just a 'patriarch' of Rome, and I respect him as such. My grandfather is Catholic and I learned to live and tolerate our religious differences, but more importantly, to recognize our most common beliefs in our Lord. I in fact like to see clergy of different creed on the same place, celebrating the Glory of Christ. But only if they are agreed NOT to sacrifice their own views to a perspective of unity under Rome. I always ask: why not Constantinople, or Jerusalem, or any other City. It does not matter, for He is ubiquitous.

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• Ikikid escreveu:
  Quarta de manhã

  ok, first to answer minutz. don't teach me what we have and what we don't, speaking of Orthodox Churches. First of all, we don't have ''popes'' (although the patriarch of Alexandria is also carries the title Pope of whole Africa), we have patriarchs, archbishops (arhiepiskop, vladikas), and metropolitans as religious heads of autonomous national Churches. We do share a lot in common with Catholics, as we read the same Scripture and we do follow all of the Holy Secrets. And in a way, we are Catholics too, in terms of universal nature of Church as a body of our Lord Jesus Christ. But the thing we brag over is of theological, or if you prefer, philosophical questions, most important being the Filioque, the means of triadology. Another major difference is that Orthodox theology is paradoxally or not, more close to today's postmodern thought with it's non-essentialism, but relationism (without relativism).

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• boodomi escreveu:
  Terça à noite

  Huah..wathced that movie...Too much penis/vagina jokes for me.

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