Telling the difference

- Ciacchi disse...
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- Dez 23 2007, 18h14
Telling the difference

Can someone please make me understand once and for all exactly what is the difference between Psychobilly, Gothabilly, Deathrock, Gothic Rock, Horror Punk, Batcave and Deathabilly? I sometimes get mixed up

I know that Psychobilly is very different than Deathrock, for example, but anyway all these genres make me dizzy

Dada smells of nothing, nothing, nothing.
It is like your hopes: nothing.
Like your paradise: nothing.
Like your idols: nothing.
Like your politicians: nothing.
Like your heroes: nothing.
Like your artists: nothing.
Like your religions: nothing.

also: Talking Last.fm

[quote][b][user]Ciacchi[/user][/b] disse: Can someone please make me understand once and for all exactly what is the difference between Psychobilly, Gothabilly, Deathrock, Gothic Rock, Horror Punk, Batcave and Deathabilly? I sometimes get mixed up I know that Psychobilly is very different than Deathrock, for example, but anyway all these genres make me dizzy[quote]

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- rubber33 disse...
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- Mar 9 2008, 21h35
Murphy doesn't like the 'goth' label

Bauhaus frontman Peter Murphy doesn't like the 'goth' label at all. In an article Peter Murphy interview with Steve Stav , Murphy puts it all to rest:

"Nobody's gothic, who's gothic? I mean, what is gothic?

First, I want to tell you, gothic is not Anne Rice, it's not Marilyn Manson, it's not Nine Inch Nails. Gothic was an architectural movement [hence, "Bauhaus" -- SS], it was a post-Renaissance, European, cultural aesthetic; it was Jean Cocteau, the Surrealists... if you're talking about the American, Tupperware sort of gothic rock, well, what is that? "

[quote][b][user]rubber33[/user][/b] disse: Bauhaus frontman Peter Murphy doesn't like the 'goth' label at all. In an article Peter Murphy interview with Steve Stav , Murphy puts it all to rest: "Nobody's gothic, who's gothic? I mean, what is gothic? First, I want to tell you, gothic is not Anne Rice, it's not Marilyn Manson, it's not Nine Inch Nails. Gothic was an architectural movement [hence, "Bauhaus" -- SS], it was a post-Renaissance, European, cultural aesthetic; it was Jean Cocteau, the Surrealists... if you're talking about the American, Tupperware sort of gothic rock, well, what is that? "[quote]

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- Lysander disse...
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- Mar 12 2008, 12h07
Re: Murphy doesn't like the 'goth' label

rubber33 said:
Bauhaus frontman Peter Murphy doesn't like the 'goth' label at all. In an article Peter Murphy interview with Steve Stav , Murphy puts it all to rest:

"Nobody's gothic, who's gothic? I mean, what is gothic?

First, I want to tell you, gothic is not Anne Rice, it's not Marilyn Manson, it's not Nine Inch Nails. Gothic was an architectural movement [hence, "Bauhaus" -- SS], it was a post-Renaissance, European, cultural aesthetic; it was Jean Cocteau, the Surrealists... if you're talking about the American, Tupperware sort of gothic rock, well, what is that? "

Well, I would have to firmly disagree with Mr Murphy there! Gothic is Anne Rice, it is Marilyn Manson, it is Nine Inch Nails. It is Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Siouxsie. It is Tristania, Sirenia and Theatre of Tragedy. It is Dargaard, Dark Sanctuary and Artesia. It is Dracula, Underworld, Laurell K Hamilton. It is the Castle of Otranto, Melmoth the Wanderer and Northanger Abbey. It is all of these - but not restricted to these - and nor are these restricted to Gothicism.

'Gothic' has become a very wide-reaching term. It can refer to books, music and architecture. So what is the common denominator? Basically anything which is darkly extravagent is Gothic. It is not a confining word - it reaches out to everything which is dark, lush and emotional.

I remember talking to Anja from Closterkeller years ago about exactly this point. I asked her the same question - what is Gothic? Her words - which pretty much sum it up - were:

"People who feel the Gothic Atmosphere are Goths. There is nothing to explain. You can either feel it or not. It’s the same like, for example, with the Metal climate/atmosphere, or punk too. Maybe hip-hop. Why not? Each man has his soul and if you feel the Gothic atmosphere, you are lucky. Because Goths are an elite."

[quote][b][user]Lysander[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]rubber33[/user][/b] said: Bauhaus frontman Peter Murphy doesn't like the 'goth' label at all. In an article Peter Murphy interview with Steve Stav , Murphy puts it all to rest: "Nobody's gothic, who's gothic? I mean, what is gothic? First, I want to tell you, gothic is not Anne Rice, it's not Marilyn Manson, it's not Nine Inch Nails. Gothic was an architectural movement [hence, "Bauhaus" -- SS], it was a post-Renaissance, European, cultural aesthetic; it was Jean Cocteau, the Surrealists... if you're talking about the American, Tupperware sort of gothic rock, well, what is that? "[/quote] Well, I would have to firmly disagree with Mr Murphy there! Gothic is Anne Rice, it is [artist]Marilyn Manson[/artist], it is [artist]Nine Inch Nails[/artist]. It is [artist]Cocteau Twins[/artist], [artist]Dead Can Dance[/artist], [artist]Siouxsie[/artist]. It is [artist]Tristania[/artist], [artist]Sirenia[/artist] and [artist]Theatre of Tragedy[/artist]. It is [artist]Dargaard[/artist], [artist]Dark Sanctuary[/artist] and [artist]Artesia[/artist]. It is Dracula, Underworld, Laurell K Hamilton. It is the Castle of Otranto, Melmoth the Wanderer and Northanger Abbey. It is all of these - but not restricted to these - and nor are these restricted to Gothicism. 'Gothic' has become a very wide-reaching term. It can refer to books, music and architecture. So what is the common denominator? Basically anything which is darkly extravagent is Gothic. It is not a confining word - it reaches out to everything which is dark, lush and emotional. I remember talking to Anja from [artist]Closterkeller[/artist] years ago about exactly this point. I asked her the same question - what [i]is[/i] Gothic? Her words - which pretty much sum it up - were: "People who feel the Gothic Atmosphere are Goths. There is nothing to explain. You can either feel it or not. It’s the same like, for example, with the Metal climate/atmosphere, or punk too. Maybe hip-hop. Why not? Each man has his soul and if you feel the Gothic atmosphere, you are lucky. Because Goths are an elite." [quote]

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- disse...
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- Ago 25 2008, 11h57
Gothic isn't just people, it's also a theme. There is a whole history behind gothic not just a music industry.

Religious themes come under this to me. However those genres you mentioned above, i have never heard majority of those terms.

I just say 'i like gothic bands' haha, i usually do that with alot of genres i guess. I never understood 'post punk' haha.

Anyway to your original question i'm sorry i can't help more. I thought death rock would be more death based whilst goth would have a darker sounding..ah...i'm confusing myself now....zzzzzzzz

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: Gothic isn't just people, it's also a theme. There is a whole history behind gothic not just a music industry. Religious themes come under this to me. However those genres you mentioned above, i have never heard majority of those terms. I just say 'i like gothic bands' haha, i usually do that with alot of genres i guess. I never understood 'post punk' haha. Anyway to your original question i'm sorry i can't help more. I thought death rock would be more death based whilst goth would have a darker sounding..ah...i'm confusing myself now....zzzzzzzz[quote]

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- geeetard disse...
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- Set 3 2008, 2h44
Listen to bands that are typically classed under each of the above genres and then make your own judgments as to how to label each. It's all very subjective.

[quote][b][user]geeetard[/user][/b] disse: Listen to bands that are typically classed under each of the above genres and then make your own judgments as to how to label each. It's all very subjective.[quote]

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- SeanDeigh disse...
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- Set 18 2008, 15h34
Sometimes i get deceived and think that only russians take these topics seriously. Are you all trolling, by chance? The guy never asked for *anything* you're trying to 'discuss' here.

http://www.last.fm/music/Sean+Deigh

[quote][b][user]SeanDeigh[/user][/b] disse: Sometimes i get deceived and think that only russians take these topics seriously. Are you all trolling, by chance? The guy never asked for *anything* you're trying to 'discuss' here.[quote]

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- ElderUK disse...
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- Set 30 2008, 20h59
Deathrock, Batcave and Gothic tend to be variations on the same, some rockier, some "sleazier", some "sexier", but all dark and to a point having a degree androgeny, whether it is through cross dressing and make up, or the exact opposite, removing gender clues and sexuality to create a sexless image.

Gothabilly, Psychobilly, and Horror Punk have their roots in good old fashioned rockabilly/rock'n'roll with upright bass and simple rhythms. Add in some punk and goth influences to add colour and diversity, with some B movie horror movie imagery and you get good time fun dancie music that isn't cheesy and cliched.

There was a time that Psychobillies, Punks and Goths were so different they hated each other, but as the Horror Punk and Gothabilly scene has emerged things have really improved as scenes have merged, blurred and crossed over.

There's a goth works down the batshop swears he's Eldritch.

[quote][b][user]ElderUK[/user][/b] disse: Deathrock, Batcave and Gothic tend to be variations on the same, some rockier, some "sleazier", some "sexier", but all dark and to a point having a degree androgeny, whether it is through cross dressing and make up, or the exact opposite, removing gender clues and sexuality to create a sexless image. Gothabilly, Psychobilly, and Horror Punk have their roots in good old fashioned rockabilly/rock'n'roll with upright bass and simple rhythms. Add in some punk and goth influences to add colour and diversity, with some B movie horror movie imagery and you get good time fun dancie music that isn't cheesy and cliched. There was a time that Psychobillies, Punks and Goths were so different they hated each other, but as the Horror Punk and Gothabilly scene has emerged things have really improved as scenes have merged, blurred and crossed over.[quote]

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- Draconysius disse...
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- Nov 17 2008, 0h00
vashthestamped
ah...i'm confusing myself now....zzzzzzzz
You're confusing everyone else as well.

"Are you nervy, irritable, depressed, tired of life? Keep it up."

[quote][b][user]Draconysius[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]VashTheStamped[/user][/b] ah...i'm confusing myself now....zzzzzzzz[/quote] You're confusing everyone else as well.[quote]

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- GeekMasterFlash disse...
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- Dez 12 2008, 10h05
Well, the best way to describe the differences in genre are to give examples.

Horror punk would be bands like The Misfits or Samhain.

Deathrock would be bands like Christian Death or Children on Stun.

Gothic rock would be bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees or The Cure

Batcave is basically just gothic rock, but typically people will call Alien Sex Fiend, Specimen, or the Bolshoi batcave as they actually played the club named The Batcave in London.

Just my 2 cents.

[quote][b][user]GeekMasterFlash[/user][/b] disse: Well, the best way to describe the differences in genre are to give examples. Horror punk would be bands like The Misfits or Samhain. Deathrock would be bands like Christian Death or Children on Stun. Gothic rock would be bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees or The Cure Batcave is basically just gothic rock, but typically people will call Alien Sex Fiend, Specimen, or the Bolshoi batcave as they actually played the club named The Batcave in London. Just my 2 cents.[quote]

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- oscuranina disse...
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- Dez 17 2008, 22h59
im gonna be honest here i have never heard of gothabilly.

[quote][b][user]oscuranina[/user][/b] disse: im gonna be honest here i have never heard of gothabilly.[quote]

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- mysteremetal disse...
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- Jan 9 2009, 18h21
GeekMasterFlash is right

Lysander : my speakers are black, gothic? I burnt my toasts, gothic toasts ?

come on, stop trying to plug everything to goth. and words have a lot of meanings. The gothic word for music is probably coming from a joke around a guy in Sex Gang Children who looked like a gargoyle :) For sure it comes from "after some beers" ideas from guys at the Batcave, or something around this.

Deathrock comes from Christian Death, it's half-way horror punk, half way gothic rock. rockabilly is another thing, I would say half punk half cabaret.

[quote][b][user]mysteremetal[/user][/b] disse: GeekMasterFlash is right Lysander : my speakers are black, gothic? I burnt my toasts, gothic toasts ? come on, stop trying to plug everything to goth. and words have a lot of meanings. The gothic word for music is probably coming from a joke around a guy in Sex Gang Children who looked like a gargoyle :) For sure it comes from "after some beers" ideas from guys at the Batcave, or something around this. Deathrock comes from Christian Death, it's half-way horror punk, half way gothic rock. rockabilly is another thing, I would say half punk half cabaret.[quote]

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- jayceky disse...
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- Jan 11 2009, 21h39
honestly i wonder if anyone that did'nt grow up in the mid to late 80's could identify goth if they heard as much. the goth movement came directly from punk roots and the terms goth and punk were both used to describe the bands.

siouxsie and london after midnight are goth. evanescence is not. the influence might be there yet the sound and direction of the music is far different. the only music i hear lately that resembles goth is a few bands classified as emo. and i think a reason for that is tapping back into that punk sound from where goth came.

[quote][b][user]jayceky[/user][/b] disse: honestly i wonder if anyone that did'nt grow up in the mid to late 80's could identify goth if they heard as much. the goth movement came directly from punk roots and the terms goth and punk were both used to describe the bands. siouxsie and london after midnight are goth. evanescence is not. the influence might be there yet the sound and direction of the music is far different. the only music i hear lately that resembles goth is a few bands classified as emo. and i think a reason for that is tapping back into that punk sound from where goth came.[quote]

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- key2thexin disse...
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- Fev 25 2009, 22h27
When we are speaking of current Gothic Culture I completely Disagree with Lysander. Metal bands like Marilyn Manson do not hit a chord with current goth.
Goth in my opinion is a emotion, a darkness, and an atmosphere and ofcourse fashion ( not that it is based on that). Goth is a mix between Punk and Glam Rock and from there took a new form with dark ideas. Good Examples are The Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Alien Sex Fiend, and 45 Grave.
Defining the above Genres
Deathrock- is a punky version of Gothic Rock. Tribal Beats are prodominant along with a strong Bass Line. Theatrical ideas take place in lyrical work most of the time. Repatition is the name of the game or so to say. Some alternate names for Deathrock are Batcave (which describes the 80s British movement of the genre), Gothic Punk and Death Punk. Some artist that may isolate this sound for you would be Christian Death, Cinema Strange, The Last Days of Jesus, and the Sex Gang Children.
Psychobilly is simply Horror Punk Mixed with Punkobilly which is the mix of Punk and Rockobilly. Some bands that may define that sound for you is Batmobile, The Cramps, and Tiger Army (for a more modern look on it)
Gothobilly is just the mix of either Punkobilly Psychobilly or Rockobilly with Gothic Rock. The only example I can really think of is Cult of The Psychic Fetus.
Horror Punk is the mix of Horror themed lyrics with Punk and 50s Rock. Normally either very similar to Punk or Deathrock depending on the interpretation of the band.
Gothic Rock is a very introspective offshoot of Glam Rock. I dont really know how to describe it off of that but some bands that could help you develope an understanding of the genre are Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhuas, Joy Division, Sisters of Mercy
Dont stress yourself over the genre labels they overlap ALOT!!!!

Dear is the Shadows I Live With- Gloomy Sunday Reszo Serress

[quote][b][user]key2thexin[/user][/b] disse: When we are speaking of current Gothic Culture I completely Disagree with Lysander. Metal bands like Marilyn Manson do not hit a chord with current goth. Goth in my opinion is a emotion, a darkness, and an atmosphere and ofcourse fashion ( not that it is based on that). Goth is a mix between Punk and Glam Rock and from there took a new form with dark ideas. Good Examples are The Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Alien Sex Fiend, and 45 Grave. Defining the above Genres Deathrock- is a punky version of Gothic Rock. Tribal Beats are prodominant along with a strong Bass Line. Theatrical ideas take place in lyrical work most of the time. Repatition is the name of the game or so to say. Some alternate names for Deathrock are Batcave (which describes the 80s British movement of the genre), Gothic Punk and Death Punk. Some artist that may isolate this sound for you would be Christian Death, Cinema Strange, The Last Days of Jesus, and the Sex Gang Children. Psychobilly is simply Horror Punk Mixed with Punkobilly which is the mix of Punk and Rockobilly. Some bands that may define that sound for you is Batmobile, The Cramps, and Tiger Army (for a more modern look on it) Gothobilly is just the mix of either Punkobilly Psychobilly or Rockobilly with Gothic Rock. The only example I can really think of is Cult of The Psychic Fetus. Horror Punk is the mix of Horror themed lyrics with Punk and 50s Rock. Normally either very similar to Punk or Deathrock depending on the interpretation of the band. Gothic Rock is a very introspective offshoot of Glam Rock. I dont really know how to describe it off of that but some bands that could help you develope an understanding of the genre are Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhuas, Joy Division, Sisters of Mercy Dont stress yourself over the genre labels they overlap ALOT!!!! [quote]

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- key2thexin disse...
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- Fev 25 2009, 22h31
I forgot to give examples of Horror Punk Bands so here it goes
Samhain
The Misfits
The Undead
The Onslaughter
i could go on forever but thats a good start in order to figure out the sound

Dear is the Shadows I Live With- Gloomy Sunday Reszo Serress

[quote][b][user]key2thexin[/user][/b] disse: I forgot to give examples of Horror Punk Bands so here it goes Samhain The Misfits The Undead The Onslaughter i could go on forever but thats a good start in order to figure out the sound [quote]

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- Mar 29 2009, 13h58
Well this topic got a lil' side-tracked didn't it. Listen to the bands that are associated with each genre. If you have a functioning brain you will notice stylistic differences between all of them. The only theme here is the performers have a dark look.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: Well this topic got a lil' side-tracked didn't it. Listen to the bands that are associated with each genre. If you have a functioning brain you will notice stylistic differences between all of them. The only theme here is the performers have a dark look.[quote]

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- NekroReaper disse...
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- Mar 31 2009, 4h16
I havne't gotten much into Gothabilly but I can tell you it's only a darker side to psychobilly, very much in line with the horror punk scene, perhaps with more of a "southern" groovy edge.
Notable Bands:
Anorexic Dread
Miguel and the Living Dead
the Brides

Horror Punk is apolitical punk which explores old-school horror movie themes.
Notable Bands:
Cortex
Devil's Whorehouse
Samhain

Deathrock is pretty much the meeting of horror punk and gothic rock.
Notable Bands:
(early) Christian Death
Cinema Strange
(late) 45 Grave

Gothic rock evolved from the post-punk/new wave bands in the likes of Joy Division and the Cure; it's pretty much melancholic rock with lyrics based off horror themes, dadaism, decadence, transgression and other arts; not much influence from punk... gothic rock is the breaking point, whereas Deathrock has a horror punk edge.
Notable Bands:
the Fields of the Nephilim
the Sisters of Mercy
13 candles

Batcave was a club in the UK which included bands such as Alien Sex Fiend, which can be classed as "deathrock"; I guess you can say that Batcave is the British slang for "deathrock".
Notable Bands:
Alien Sex Fiend
Sex gang Children
UK Decay

Deathabilly... I'm not too keen on this genre but I get a feeling that it's another term for Gothabilly.

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[quote][b][user]NekroReaper[/user][/b] disse: I havne't gotten much into Gothabilly but I can tell you it's only a darker side to psychobilly, very much in line with the horror punk scene, perhaps with more of a "southern" groovy edge. [b]Notable Bands:[/b] [i]Anorexic Dread Miguel and the Living Dead the Brides[/i] Horror Punk is apolitical punk which explores old-school horror movie themes. [b]Notable Bands:[/b] [i]Cortex Devil's Whorehouse Samhain[/i] Deathrock is pretty much the meeting of horror punk and gothic rock. [b]Notable Bands:[/b] [i](early) Christian Death Cinema Strange (late) 45 Grave[/i] Gothic rock evolved from the post-punk/new wave bands in the likes of Joy Division and the Cure; it's pretty much melancholic rock with lyrics based off horror themes, dadaism, decadence, transgression and other arts; not much influence from punk... gothic rock is the breaking point, whereas Deathrock has a horror punk edge. [b]Notable Bands:[/b] [i]the Fields of the Nephilim the Sisters of Mercy 13 candles[/i] Batcave was a club in the UK which included bands such as Alien Sex Fiend, which can be classed as "deathrock"; I guess you can say that Batcave is the British slang for "deathrock". [b]Notable Bands:[/b] [i]Alien Sex Fiend Sex gang Children UK Decay[/i] Deathabilly... I'm not too keen on this genre but I get a feeling that it's another term for Gothabilly. ~[quote]

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- AlbinoKrow disse...
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- Abr 26 2009, 19h14
well put NekroReaper.

am I the only one that gets offended when people consider Nine Inch Nails and Evanescence goth???? just wondering

sweet like harmony

[quote][b][user]AlbinoKrow[/user][/b] disse: well put NekroReaper. am I the only one that gets offended when people consider Nine Inch Nails and Evanescence goth???? just wondering[quote]

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- key2thexin disse...
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- Mai 12 2009, 16h32
No i am very offended by that nonsense
I am also offended by HOT TOPIC
but this is a topic i could flip shit over for a decade instead though i will leave at the wide spread population is ignorent (just like my spelling)

Dear is the Shadows I Live With- Gloomy Sunday Reszo Serress

[quote][b][user]key2thexin[/user][/b] disse: No i am very offended by that nonsense I am also offended by HOT TOPIC but this is a topic i could flip shit over for a decade instead though i will leave at the wide spread population is ignorent (just like my spelling)[quote]

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- AlbinoKrow disse...
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- Mai 31 2009, 5h57
ha ha ha you're spelling isn't that bad

burn, burn, burn, burn down hot topic! don't let it take your soul

sweet like harmony

[quote][b][user]AlbinoKrow[/user][/b] disse: ha ha ha you're spelling isn't that bad burn, burn, burn, burn down hot topic! don't let it take your soul[quote]

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