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- yellowcarpet disse...
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- Mai 9 2009, 13h55
Germany To Outlaw Paintball

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8041320.stm

The German government says it plans to ban combat games such as paintball, in response to a recent school shooting.

The new measures being proposed to parliament also include tighter gun control rules and give officials the right to conduct checks on gun owners.

Anyone defying the proposed new rule could face a 5,000-euro (£4,474) fine.

Sixteen people, including the gunman, were killed in the school shooting in March. Relatives of the victims say the new measures do not go far enough.

'Biometric controls'

Under the proposed rules, the authorities would be given more right to ensure weapons are safely locked up.

It is also thought that "biometric controls" for gun storage might be introduced, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg in Berlin reports.

That would mean that anyone owning and storing guns at home would need to use their own fingerprint to open the safe or cupboard, our correspondent says.

Berlin also plans to ban games like paintball and laser-tag that simulate killing on the grounds that they trivialise and encourage violence.

But relatives of those killed in the March attack in the town of Winnenden, near Stuttgart, are calling for an outright ban on pistols and high-calibre weapons.

"There cannot be a second Winnenden," Hardy Schober, whose daughter was killed in the attack, told a news conference in Berlin.

[quote][b][user]yellowcarpet[/user][/b] disse: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8041320.stm The German government says it plans to ban combat games such as paintball, in response to a recent school shooting. The new measures being proposed to parliament also include tighter gun control rules and give officials the right to conduct checks on gun owners. Anyone defying the proposed new rule could face a 5,000-euro (£4,474) fine. Sixteen people, including the gunman, were killed in the school shooting in March. Relatives of the victims say the new measures do not go far enough. 'Biometric controls' Under the proposed rules, the authorities would be given more right to ensure weapons are safely locked up. It is also thought that "biometric controls" for gun storage might be introduced, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg in Berlin reports. That would mean that anyone owning and storing guns at home would need to use their own fingerprint to open the safe or cupboard, our correspondent says. Berlin also plans to ban games like paintball and laser-tag that simulate killing on the grounds that they trivialise and encourage violence. But relatives of those killed in the March attack in the town of Winnenden, near Stuttgart, are calling for an outright ban on pistols and high-calibre weapons. "There cannot be a second Winnenden," Hardy Schober, whose daughter was killed in the attack, told a news conference in Berlin. [quote]
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- Mai 9 2009, 17h21
I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are not the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words. And paintball, really?

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are [b]not[/b] the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words. And paintball, really?[quote]

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- yellowcarpet disse...
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- Mai 9 2009, 17h49
whachadoin said:
I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are not the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words.

I completely disagree. I'm from Glasgow, we have quite a big gang problem, and there is very little shootings, they rarely happen. I think we have the highest stabbing rate in Europe though. In Britain you do get the occasional shootting in London or Liverpool but they are not common. We don't have guns legal. Maybe it is just an American thing that shootings are so high.

[quote][b][user]yellowcarpet[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]whachadoin[/user][/b] said: I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are [b]not[/b] the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words. [/quote] I completely disagree. I'm from Glasgow, we have quite a big gang problem, and there is very little shootings, they rarely happen. I think we have the highest stabbing rate in Europe though. In Britain you do get the occasional shootting in London or Liverpool but they are not common. We don't have guns legal. Maybe it is just an American thing that shootings are so high.[quote]

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- Mai 9 2009, 18h10
yellowcarpet said:
whachadoin said:
I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are not the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words.

I completely disagree. I'm from Glasgow, we have quite a big gang problem, and there is very little shootings, they rarely happen. I think we have the highest stabbing rate in Europe though. In Britain you do get the occasional shootting in London or Liverpool but they are not common. We don't have guns legal. Maybe it is just an American thing that shootings are so high.

We're doped up on medication daily, a huge percentage of teens are on antidepressants or they take sleeping pills that they get attached to and it ruins their health over time. Not only do we have "less gangs and guns" in this city compared to other major cities in the States, but we also have the highest murder rate in America!

"CHICAGO (AP) - An outburst of gunfire rattled the city during the weekend, with at least nine people killed in 36 separate acts of violence. The shootings were reported from Friday until Monday morning, police spokeswoman Monique Bond said Monday. They included gang shootings, drive-by attacks, and even one case in which someone used an AK-47 to shoot up a plumbing supply store.

These types of attacks are by young teenagers, some of the victims are as young as 12 years old. People need to look deeper than just "where did he get that gun? why did he do it?"... what medication was he on? is a question people are finally starting to ask, you can't overlook the persons mental health.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]yellowcarpet[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]whachadoin[/user][/b] said: I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are [b]not[/b] the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words. [/quote] I completely disagree. I'm from Glasgow, we have quite a big gang problem, and there is very little shootings, they rarely happen. I think we have the highest stabbing rate in Europe though. In Britain you do get the occasional shootting in London or Liverpool but they are not common. We don't have guns legal. Maybe it is just an American thing that shootings are so high.[/quote] We're doped up on medication daily, a huge percentage of teens are on antidepressants or they take sleeping pills that they get attached to and it ruins their health over time. Not only do we have "less gangs and guns" in this city compared to other major cities in the States, but we also have the highest murder rate in America! "[i]CHICAGO (AP) - An outburst of gunfire rattled the city during the weekend, with at least nine people killed in 36 separate acts of violence. The shootings were reported from Friday until Monday morning, police spokeswoman Monique Bond said Monday. They included gang shootings, drive-by attacks, and even one case in which someone used an AK-47 to shoot up a plumbing supply store.[/i] [b]These types of attacks are by young teenagers, some of the victims are as young as 12 years old.[/b] People need to look deeper than just "where did he get that gun? why did he do it?"... [i]what medication was he on[/i]? is a question people are finally starting to ask, you can't overlook the persons mental health. [quote]

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- yellowcarpet disse...
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- Mai 9 2009, 23h24
If guns were illegal, less guns would be available, only people would had foreign connections could get them.
They never will be illegal. Crazy republican bastards won't accept it and the National Firearms Asscoiation is too powerful. The problem is America has got too much of a gun culture. You don't get any of the mass murders that happen in America often, happening much in Europe (Winnenden being an exception).
Britain illegalised most guns after we had our massacre (Dunblane)

[quote][b][user]yellowcarpet[/user][/b] disse: If guns were illegal, less guns would be available, only people would had foreign connections could get them. They never will be illegal. Crazy republican bastards won't accept it and the National Firearms Asscoiation is too powerful. The problem is America has got too much of a gun culture. You don't get any of the mass murders that happen in America often, happening much in Europe (Winnenden being an exception). Britain illegalised most guns after we had our massacre (Dunblane)[quote]

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- NorthStar_89 disse...
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- Mai 10 2009, 0h30
Hi everybody! :>

I'm from Germany. We'll actually have elections this year here and the parties wich are in the government want to keep the voters with them, so they are discussing to ban violent video games and to intensify the laws regarding weapons.
Banning weapons from the public is a good thing and has to continue, but doing the same with paintball and other games is CRAP for me. There will also be tighter controls in the houses of gun owners to be sure the weapons are kept safely and no one else can access them (they must be kept in a safe).
But there must be more to do. No one's asking the students to help them with their problems. Sure, no problem can be strong enough to justify murder but some of them do have serious problems.

We were in Amsterdam with our class when the massacre in Winnenden happened. It shocked the whole nation. Some students were even scared of going to school. We need to stop this.

[quote][b][user]NorthStar_89[/user][/b] disse: Hi everybody! :> I'm from Germany. We'll actually have elections this year here and the parties wich are in the government want to keep the voters with them, so they are discussing to ban violent video games and to intensify the laws regarding weapons. Banning weapons from the public is a good thing and has to continue, but doing the same with paintball and other games is CRAP for me. There will also be tighter controls in the houses of gun owners to be sure the weapons are kept safely and no one else can access them (they must be kept in a safe). But there must be more to do. No one's asking the students to help them with their problems. Sure, no problem can be strong enough to justify murder but some of them do have serious problems. We were in Amsterdam with our class when the massacre in Winnenden happened. It shocked the whole nation. Some students were even scared of going to school. We need to stop this.[quote]

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- Fortyfootwolf disse...
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- Mai 10 2009, 1h03
Is it just me or does the German government seem to have a long history of problems with this sort of thing? That is to say, do they have a history of missing the forest for the trees when it comes to social issues?

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[quote][b][user]Fortyfootwolf[/user][/b] disse: Is it just me or does the German government seem to have a long history of problems with this sort of thing? That is to say, do they have a history of missing the forest for the trees when it comes to social issues?[quote]

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- ShadesOfIce disse...
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- Mai 10 2009, 4h12
Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s!

If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there!

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[quote][b][user]ShadesOfIce[/user][/b] disse: Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s! If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there![quote]

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- Fortyfootwolf disse...
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- Mai 10 2009, 5h41
ShadesOfIce said:
Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s!

If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there!

Yeah,hey, that's a reasonable reaction, shit-talking the guy who's agreeing with you, isn't it?

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Just before we go on to the next part of our song
Let's all make sure we've got the time
Music-making still performs the normal functions -
Background noise for people scheming, seducing, revolting and teaching
That's all right by me, don't think that I'm complaining
After all, it's only leisure time, isn't it?

-Soft Machine, "Moon in June"

[quote][b][user]Fortyfootwolf[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]ShadesOfIce[/user][/b] said: Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s! If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there![/quote] Yeah,hey, that's a reasonable reaction, shit-talking the guy who's agreeing with you, isn't it? :\[quote]

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- NorthStar_89 disse...
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- Mai 10 2009, 11h24
Yeah, our government has it's problem with social issues. They rather start banning things than looking at the problem itself. But fact is: stronger weapon laws can't be wrong at all.

ShadesOfIce said:
Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s!

If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there!
We are far away from the Nazi state. I can't stand those Nazi idiots!! And calling us morons is bullshit by the way. We have some issues and your country has problems too. But I would never call your people morons.

And as I said: They're only discussing those things. They won't (and can't)introduce all those changes to the law. It's just a good topic for the elections this September, wich works in the media. And every politician uses the media.

[quote][b][user]NorthStar_89[/user][/b] disse: Yeah, our government has it's problem with social issues. They rather start banning things than looking at the problem itself. But fact is: stronger weapon laws can't be wrong at all. [quote][b][user]ShadesOfIce[/user][/b] said: Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s! If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there![/quote] We are far away from the Nazi state. I can't stand those Nazi idiots!! And calling us morons is bullshit by the way. We have some issues and your country has problems too. But I would never call your people morons. And as I said: They're only discussing those things. They won't (and can't)introduce all those changes to the law. It's just a good topic for the elections this September, wich works in the media. And every politician uses the media.[quote]

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- selfsurprise disse...
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- Mai 10 2009, 16h19
NorthStar_89 said:
Yeah, our government has it's problem with social issues. They rather start banning things than looking at the problem itself. But fact is: stronger weapon laws can't be wrong at all.

ShadesOfIce said:
Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s!

If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there!
We are far away from the Nazi state. I can't stand those Nazi idiots!! And calling us morons is bullshit by the way. We have some issues and your country has problems too. But I would never call your people morons.

And as I said: They're only discussing those things. They won't (and can't)introduce all those changes to the law. It's just a good topic for the elections this September, wich works in the media. And every politician uses the media.

Ignore Shades Oflce, he's a tough guy. It never fails to amaze me how governments knee jerk to these things. Instead of actually tackling any problems that arise, they instead ban anything that even vaguely reminds them of the afforementioned issue.

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[quote][b][user]selfsurprise[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]NorthStar_89[/user][/b] said: Yeah, our government has it's problem with social issues. They rather start banning things than looking at the problem itself. But fact is: stronger weapon laws can't be wrong at all. [quote][b][user]ShadesOfIce[/user][/b] said: Soon enough criminals in Germany are gonna start using bare hands as their main weapon. What's next, banning hands? You guys are turning back into that Nazi state you were in the 1940s! If you morons stop electing twats like those who are in power over there, you wouldn't be having such restrictions over there![/quote] We are far away from the Nazi state. I can't stand those Nazi idiots!! And calling us morons is bullshit by the way. We have some issues and your country has problems too. But I would never call your people morons. And as I said: They're only discussing those things. They won't (and can't)introduce all those changes to the law. It's just a good topic for the elections this September, wich works in the media. And every politician uses the media.[/quote] Ignore Shades Oflce, he's a [i]tough[/i] guy. It never fails to amaze me how governments knee jerk to these things. Instead of actually tackling any problems that arise, they instead ban anything that even vaguely reminds them of the afforementioned issue. [quote]

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- BedroomEyes76 disse...
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- Mai 10 2009, 20h45
will there so many laws on books that are not enforced and if they would enforce what they have instead creating new ones to shocked of outcome and the guns are not issue it the people behind them. they don't go off by them self

[quote][b][user]BedroomEyes76[/user][/b] disse: will there so many laws on books that are not enforced and if they would enforce what they have instead creating new ones to shocked of outcome and the guns are not issue it the people behind them. they don't go off by them self[quote]

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- selfsurprise disse...
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- Mai 11 2009, 6h50
BedroomEyes76 said:
will there so many laws on books that are not enforced and if they would enforce what they have instead creating new ones to shocked of outcome and the guns are not issue it the people behind them. they don't go off by them self

???

No offence but can you re-write that please?

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[quote][b][user]selfsurprise[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]BedroomEyes76[/user][/b] said: will there so many laws on books that are not enforced and if they would enforce what they have instead creating new ones to shocked of outcome and the guns are not issue it the people behind them. they don't go off by them self[/quote] ??? No offence but can you re-write that please? [quote]

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- Iam04 disse...
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- Mai 11 2009, 9h15
Great. Clearly, it's paint that's the problem...

[quote][b][user]Iam04[/user][/b] disse: Great. Clearly, it's paint that's the problem...[quote]

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- Juve_Rule disse...
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- Mai 11 2009, 15h45
Ironic, as I just went paintballing on the weekend..

[quote][b][user]Juve_Rule[/user][/b] disse: Ironic, as I just went paintballing on the weekend..[quote]

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- arkan disse...
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- Mai 11 2009, 16h07
At a time when the german government is trying to show the world how its form of capitalism is superior, this shows just how it can be wrong.

To play paintball in Germany, you have to be 18 or above.. the school shooter was actually 17. Enough said!

[quote][b][user]arkan[/user][/b] disse: At a time when the german government is trying to show the world how its form of capitalism is superior, this shows just how it can be wrong. To play paintball in Germany, you have to be 18 or above.. the school shooter was actually 17. Enough said![quote]

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- ShadesOfIce disse...
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- Mai 12 2009, 3h35
IRT NorthStar: I'm speaking about the clueless masses who vote without doing research on candidates. Yes, I'm aware my country has problems but I'm not calling you a moron for it.

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[quote][b][user]ShadesOfIce[/user][/b] disse: IRT NorthStar: I'm speaking about the clueless masses who vote without doing research on candidates. Yes, I'm aware my country has problems but I'm not calling you a moron for it.[quote]

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- aenmic disse...
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- Mai 15 2009, 0h10
Ban pregnancy.

I gave peace a chance but it wasn't working for me.

[quote][b][user]aenmic[/user][/b] disse: Ban pregnancy.[quote]

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- BedroomEyes76 disse...
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- Jul 9 2009, 9h01
selfsurprise said:
BedroomEyes76 said:
will there so many laws on books that are not enforced and if they would enforce what they have instead creating new ones to shocked of outcome and the guns are not issue it the people behind them. they don't go off by them self

???

No offence but can you re-write that please?

Simple like here in states there is laws that are never used and why they create new ones they had some already in place just never used them.

[quote][b][user]BedroomEyes76[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]selfsurprise[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]BedroomEyes76[/user][/b] said: will there so many laws on books that are not enforced and if they would enforce what they have instead creating new ones to shocked of outcome and the guns are not issue it the people behind them. they don't go off by them self[/quote] ??? No offence but can you re-write that please? [/quote] Simple like here in states there is laws that are never used and why they create new ones they had some already in place just never used them.[quote]

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- selfsurprise disse...
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- Jul 10 2009, 7h43
Simple like here in states there is laws that are never used and why they create new ones they had some already in place just never used them.

Yes, that clears eveything up.

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[quote][b][user]selfsurprise[/user][/b] disse: [quote]Simple like here in states there is laws that are never used and why they create new ones they had some already in place just never used them.[/quote] Yes, that clears eveything up.[quote]

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- dankine disse...
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- Jul 10 2009, 12h24
the great american school system strikes again...

'Maybe living and dying are the same thing, maybe the fact that we turn them into two different things is why we feel so lost.'

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[quote][b][user]dankine[/user][/b] disse: the great american school system strikes again...[quote]

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- starchaos disse...
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- Jul 10 2009, 15h17
They would never be able to ban guns over here.

I can drive 5 miles and buy a crack rock; if I wanted to pop a person in the head I could just as easily buy a gun, if they was banned.

I'm not really for the person breaking in my house having the only gun.

[quote][b][user]starchaos[/user][/b] disse: They would never be able to ban guns over here. I can drive 5 miles and buy a crack rock; if I wanted to pop a person in the head I could just as easily buy a gun, if they was banned. I'm not really for the person breaking in my house having the only gun.[quote]

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- Electr0m3t3r disse...
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- Jul 11 2009, 1h51
whachadoin said:
I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are not the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words. And paintball, really?

Yep, same as alot of things, violent video games, alcohol etc. Retarded imo, they just look for the quick fix and don't adress the real issue.

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[quote][b][user]Electr0m3t3r[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]whachadoin[/user][/b] said: I'm from Chicago, since January over 30 teenagers have been killed "by guns" (gang related) in this city as they like to portray it on the news... the guns are [b]not[/b] the problem. The kid who went on a rampage was clearly on medication (*antidepressants)... Trying to tighten gun laws will only create more problems in the near future, mark my words. And paintball, really?[/quote] Yep, same as alot of things, violent video games, alcohol etc. Retarded imo, they just look for the quick fix and don't adress the real issue.[quote]

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- ShadesOfIce disse...
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- Jul 11 2009, 2h50
Germany, you bunch of pussies. :-/

Why don't you look at the educational system before getting anal and banning things Third Reich style?

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[quote][b][user]ShadesOfIce[/user][/b] disse: Germany, you bunch of pussies. :-/ Why don't you look at the educational system before getting anal and banning things Third Reich style?[quote]

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- miketallicax disse...
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- Jul 12 2009, 23h48
i read the 1st few posts and is everybody missing the fact that if guns were banned that would give full power to the black market gun trade also the society is very easily and without fear under full control of the government? guns are almost as important as freedom of expression when it comes to freedom.

[quote][b][user]miketallicax[/user][/b] disse: i read the 1st few posts and is everybody missing the fact that if guns were banned that would give full power to the black market gun trade also the society is very easily and without fear under full control of the government? guns are almost as important as freedom of expression when it comes to freedom.[quote]

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