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- CrybKeeper disse...
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What We Should Get For Subscibing To Last FM

What We Should Get For Subscibing To Last FM

Let us put this in perspective and use logic that's more than 3 decades old:

When Cable TV came about, I could subscribe to HBO, SHO, etc. and be charged a monthly fee. What is it currently?

9.95 USD a month and I am garanteed to view dozens of new movies every month and no one minds if I Tivo this or make myself a DVD copy for personal use. My movie library is expansive due to HBO, Cinemax and SHOwtime. I get 8 HBO channels and over 20 HBO original series and movies a year.

DVD's retail for $19.95 USD and higher, when new and once the movie is outdated, you might pick it up for 9.95 on sale.

numbers based on monthly rate=
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CABLE TV:

8 channels
12 recently released movies
14 HBO original series
6 HBO original movies
10 dollars

FEATURES

no ads
24/7 viewing
unlimited recording and playback(BONUS!)

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MUSIC ON THE WEB:

Music goes for 99 cents a track and a physical CD is around $10.00 to $20.00 USD

What will Last FM offer me for 3.00 USD a month?

unlimited playlists(BONUS!)
I can't find anything else?!
No major artists will have you LastFM.
Instead, Amazon and Itunes gets the $$$$
Cannot stream my player in a background? tsk, tsk. :(

FEATURES:

Black icon status
Show off an attractive black icon wherever you appear on the site.

No ads
You won’t see them; visitors to your page won’t see them. No one will, because they won’t exist.

Recent Visitors
See who’s been visiting your profile page.

Personal playlists
Build unlimited playlists and listen to them on shuffle. You can listen to your personal tags too!

Share the Love
Your “Loved Tracks” become a listenable radio station.

Top secret beta access
Be the first to know and try what we’re working on and help shape the development of the site. You’ll see a subscriber-only announcement during beta.

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I can get more from FREE internet radio stations. especially Mixposure.com

For FREE you can have:

a forum.
a shoutbox.
A site radio station, using all the latest OS's and players
instant requests granted.
live chat with the DJ's.
Profiles, with avatars, blogs and background picks. Some coding is allowed. custom fonts and colors.
Use your large data base of MP3's, to create your own music player and radio station.
browse artists.
get music for free from the artist.
A personal calender
I am sure to be forgetting something.

Just looking for someone to convince me why LastFM is worth subscription rate?

Remember, my family of four, can watch HBO for one price. Will LastFM let me have four accounts for my 3.00 USD?

NUMBERS:
Stream Movie= 20 cents on HBO= 2% of actual value
Stream Music Track= 2 cents on LastFM=2% of actual value

Can my whole family create their very own players here? And will they be allowed to fill it with 150 streamable tracks?

If LastFM is aligned with all other forms of media, shouldn't the values apply here too?

Is LastFM really offering me enough to warrant a fee?

I already pay for the internet connection and they think we should pay for the security to gaurd that connection(NortonAV), now should I pay for more content?

Shaolin Temple of Boom: Official video for 'I Would Detsroy' @ LastFM

Music: Skiye@LastFM, Ellsbeth@LastFM, ShaolinTempleOfBoom@LastFM, ZeroKing@MySpace, Woolgather @ LastFM, Circa@LastFM(BillySherwood/AlanWhite), Lunarium@LastFM, DigJelly@LastFM, The Cryb@MySpace.

[quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] disse: What We Should Get For Subscibing To Last FM Let us put this in perspective and use logic that's more than 3 decades old: When Cable TV came about, I could subscribe to HBO, SHO, etc. and be charged a monthly fee. What is it currently? 9.95 USD a month and I am garanteed to view dozens of new movies every month and no one minds if I Tivo this or make myself a DVD copy for personal use. My movie library is expansive due to HBO, Cinemax and SHOwtime. I get 8 HBO channels and over 20 HBO original series and movies a year. DVD's retail for $19.95 USD and higher, when new and once the movie is outdated, you might pick it up for 9.95 on sale. numbers based on monthly rate= _____________________________________________________________ CABLE TV: 8 channels 12 recently released movies 14 HBO original series 6 HBO original movies 10 dollars FEATURES no ads 24/7 viewing unlimited recording and playback(BONUS!) _____________________________________________________________ MUSIC ON THE WEB: Music goes for 99 cents a track and a physical CD is around $10.00 to $20.00 USD What will Last FM offer me for 3.00 USD a month? unlimited playlists(BONUS!) I can't find anything else?! No major artists will have you LastFM. Instead, Amazon and Itunes gets the $$$$ Cannot stream my player in a background? tsk, tsk. :( FEATURES: Black icon status Show off an attractive black icon wherever you appear on the site. No ads You won’t see them; visitors to your page won’t see them. No one will, because they won’t exist. Recent Visitors See who’s been visiting your profile page. Personal playlists Build unlimited playlists and listen to them on shuffle. You can listen to your personal tags too! Share the Love Your “Loved Tracks” become a listenable radio station. Top secret beta access Be the first to know and try what we’re working on and help shape the development of the site. You’ll see a subscriber-only announcement during beta. _____________________________________________________________ I can get more from FREE internet radio stations. especially Mixposure.com For FREE you can have: a forum. a shoutbox. A site radio station, using all the latest OS's and players instant requests granted. live chat with the DJ's. Profiles, with avatars, blogs and background picks. Some coding is allowed. custom fonts and colors. Use your large data base of MP3's, to create your own music player and radio station. browse artists. get music for free from the artist. A personal calender I am sure to be forgetting something. Just looking for someone to convince me why LastFM is worth subscription rate? Remember, my family of four, can watch HBO for one price. Will LastFM let me have four accounts for my 3.00 USD? NUMBERS: Stream Movie= 20 cents on HBO= 2% of actual value Stream Music Track= 2 cents on LastFM=2% of actual value Can my whole family create their very own players here? And will they be allowed to fill it with 150 streamable tracks? If LastFM is aligned with all other forms of media, shouldn't the values apply here too? Is LastFM really offering me enough to warrant a fee? I already pay for the internet connection and they think we should pay for the security to gaurd that connection(NortonAV), now should I pay for more content?[quote]

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- dianashamilton disse...
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- Jun 21 2009, 21h07
Re: What We Should Get For Subscibing To Last FM

CrybKeeper said:
Just looking for someone to convince me why LastFM is worth subscription rate?

I've used this analogy before, but it's still true that the daily price is the same as that of 1 OTC Hershey's Kiss per day for me. Granted, 10 cents a Kiss is more costly than it was when you and I were kids, but I easily get more than a Kiss' worth per day of value from this site.

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[quote][b][user]dianashamilton[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] said: Just looking for someone to convince me why LastFM is worth subscription rate?[/quote] I've used this analogy before, but it's still true that the daily price is the same as that of 1 OTC Hershey's Kiss per day for me. Granted, 10 cents a Kiss is more costly than it was when you and I were kids, but I easily get more than a Kiss' worth per day of value from this site. [quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 22 2009, 1h08
I'm a friggin cheapskate!. I'm good at making my pennies work but even I stop at 10p a day. ;D

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- stoobar disse...
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- Jun 23 2009, 23h11
Top secret beta access Be the first to know and try what we’re working on and help shape the development of the site. You’ll see a subscriber-only announcement during beta.

haha - and then they ignore everything the people say and do what they want anyhow!! not a benefit.....

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[quote][b][user]stoobar[/user][/b] disse: [quote]Top secret beta access Be the first to know and try what we’re working on and help shape the development of the site. You’ll see a subscriber-only announcement during beta.[/quote] haha - and then they ignore everything the people say and do what they want anyhow!! not a benefit.....[quote]

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- TheBomfy disse...
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- Jun 23 2009, 23h33
Back when I first subscribed one of the benefits was priority over the non subscribers, I was lucky if the player would go a half hour without crapping out. That was one of the main reasons for me subscribing, well the fact I really enjoy Last.fm.

Too be totally honest, I'd pay $3.00 a month just because I like the service. Also not having to deal with Fluffy for 6 hours is handy too.

321, are you ready to rock?

[quote][b][user]TheBomfy[/user][/b] disse: Back when I first subscribed one of the benefits was priority over the non subscribers, I was lucky if the player would go a half hour without crapping out. That was one of the main reasons for me subscribing, well the fact I really enjoy Last.fm. Too be totally honest, I'd pay $3.00 a month just because I like the service. Also not having to deal with Fluffy for 6 hours is handy too.[quote]

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- JohnBHenry disse...
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- Jun 24 2009, 11h50
Re: What We Should Get For Subscibing To Last FM

CrybKeeper said:
I already pay for the internet connection and they think we should pay for the security to gaurd that connection(NortonAV), now should I pay for more content?

Last.fm is a company. Companies need to make money to survive. Does your ISP pass on money to all the content providers for everything you access on the internet? Of course not, it's therefore necessary for content providers to determine how to gain the capital to maintain their infrastructure.

Comparisons of Last.fm with American cable tv is a bit like comparing the cost of an apple with the cost of a pint of milk. there's just no sense in it.

You bought your TV/cable connection, but you're not complaining about the fact that you then have to pay content providers for content on your television. Why is the internet different?

A comparison of content provided with cost of subscription also fails due to the fact that upon purchasing a subscription to a cable tv channel you still receive advertisements, the advertising revenue subsidises your subscription rate which is therefore lower than the real cost of providing that content. When you subscribe to Last.fm you do not have advertisements, therefore your subscription is not subsidised in a similar way.

There is also the large discrepancy between televison and internet advertising rates which also accounts for the difference in content and subscription charge.

Ultimately it is up to the user to decide whether the subscription rate is justified by the content provided. You can still use most of the content for free on Last.fm (provided you're in US,UK, Germany) but will have to tolerate more advertisements and the radio checking that you're still alive every so often.

[quote][b][user]JohnBHenry[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] said: I already pay for the internet connection and they think we should pay for the security to gaurd that connection(NortonAV), now should I pay for more content?[/quote] Last.fm is a company. Companies need to make money to survive. Does your ISP pass on money to all the content providers for everything you access on the internet? Of course not, it's therefore necessary for content providers to determine how to gain the capital to maintain their infrastructure. Comparisons of Last.fm with American cable tv is a bit like comparing the cost of an apple with the cost of a pint of milk. there's just no sense in it. You bought your TV/cable connection, but you're not complaining about the fact that you then have to pay content providers for content on your television. Why is the internet different? A comparison of content provided with cost of subscription also fails due to the fact that upon purchasing a subscription to a cable tv channel you still receive advertisements, the advertising revenue subsidises your subscription rate which is therefore lower than the real cost of providing that content. When you subscribe to Last.fm you do not have advertisements, therefore your subscription is not subsidised in a similar way. There is also the large discrepancy between televison and internet advertising rates which also accounts for the difference in content and subscription charge. Ultimately it is up to the user to decide whether the subscription rate is justified by the content provided. You can still use most of the content for free on Last.fm (provided you're in US,UK, Germany) but will have to tolerate more advertisements and the radio checking that you're still alive every so often. [quote]

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- dankine disse...
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- Jun 24 2009, 12h03
youre a fool if you pay for norton, and think that its legal to record stuff off the tv.

'Maybe living and dying are the same thing, maybe the fact that we turn them into two different things is why we feel so lost.'

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[quote][b][user]dankine[/user][/b] disse: youre a fool if you pay for norton, and think that its legal to record stuff off the tv.[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 24 2009, 12h17
and you're a fool if you think this is all you'll be asked to pay for. newspapers next... !!

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: and you're a fool if you think this is all you'll be asked to pay for. newspapers next... !![quote]

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- Jun 24 2009, 15h40
...and think that its legal to record stuff off the tv.

Provided that the video is used for personal use only, and an appropriate TV license is held (colour), use of a VCR is covered by the Fair Use within the copyright laws.

Obviously sharing of this videotape with anyone else is illegal (see the recent 'uploading' thread in the news forum)

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote] ...and think that its legal to record stuff off the tv. [/quote] Provided that the video is used for personal use only, and an appropriate TV license is held (colour), use of a VCR is covered by the Fair Use within the copyright laws. Obviously sharing of this videotape with anyone else is illegal (see the recent 'uploading' thread in the news forum)[quote]

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- dankine disse...
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- Jun 24 2009, 15h43
MarianneTwanet said:
Provided that the video is used for personal use only, and an appropriate TV license is held (colour), use of a VCR is covered by the Fair Use within the copyright laws.

Obviously sharing of this videotape with anyone else is illegal (see the recent 'uploading' thread in the news forum)
Yeah fair enough, but some content is protected against copying even for solely personal use.

'Maybe living and dying are the same thing, maybe the fact that we turn them into two different things is why we feel so lost.'

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[quote][b][user]dankine[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]MarianneTwanet[/user][/b] said: Provided that the video is used for personal use only, and an appropriate TV license is held (colour), use of a VCR is covered by the Fair Use within the copyright laws. Obviously sharing of this videotape with anyone else is illegal (see the recent 'uploading' thread in the news forum)[/quote] Yeah fair enough, but some content is protected against copying even for solely personal use.[quote]

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- Jun 24 2009, 15h52
some content is protected against copying even for solely personal use

Yep, true. One isn't allowed to defeat encryption, so copying DVD's would not be legal; also if one has agreed not to copy the content (as for example last.fm streams) when joining the channel or service, then that would also not be legal to copy.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote] some content is protected against copying even for solely personal use [/quote] Yep, true. One isn't allowed to defeat encryption, so copying DVD's would not be legal; also if one has agreed not to copy the content (as for example last.fm streams) when joining the channel or service, then that would also not be legal to copy.[quote]

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- CrybKeeper disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 2h32
So,....you guys are basically saying. HBO-who charges an extra 10.00 a month fee- has liscense to distribute quality content, which is unquestionably, a reasonable fee.

I agree there. Which also means, LastFM will need copyright distribution rights in order to offer quality content.

Okay, what JohnBHenry stated above has convinced me of this much; I'll subscribe, as long as I can stream Metallica, or at least, the equivalant major artist that has recently- but not too recently- released new content, same as the movies.

I already understand how copyright permissions work guys. I deal with it on a daily basis.

My agenda in this forum, is to show a comparision between what LastFM is offering for three dollars and what their competition has been offering for nearly the same subscription fee. Also, what LastFM offers for free is by far, much less than their competition is offering us.

Has any one of you checked out Yahoo Music Launch? Their homepage alone reveals the truth, which is, LastFM does not come close to offering us, what Yahoo is offering for 2.99 a month, or what Mixposure offers for FREE, or Jamendo, Imeem, ILike, or even the likes of Hulu TV, Underground Video TV and Joost TV for FREE.

I have been wracking my brain, how to get my bands on LastFM, when they believe LastFM is not worth the time.

Think about it?

I can get a radio liscense to stream FCC regulated media and play Metallica all day long, if I wish. My neighbor did it in a two car garage with no real income involved. It's simply too easy and it's free.

Why do I listen to TrueAnthem and Broadjam more than I would LastFM? Because, Those companies pay the artist- that we happen to be enjoying free of any charge.

I will not give my money to a site, that doesn't support the very artists that make them who they are.

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Still. all our bands are already here now, with the exception of Ellsbeth. Shannon(lead vox) did upload a track, but this very same track is in rotation at Clear Channel affiliates, with much more exposure and plenty of books from such ventures. The LastFM feeler, has done us no good at all and recieved no aknowledgement through LastFM, or any follow-up books.

Isn't it a bit curious, that Ellsbeth. Zeroking, Lunarium, etc., Twitter profiles(free application), have gotten the bands over a dozen bookings, yet LastFM hasn't gotten our dozen bands anything at all?

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See, I am for the artist, as well as the fans and I am not a big fan of third party affiliates, who do not show any appreciation to the artist and fans.

Hey everyone, Even I have written federal copyright permissions, with several music artists and it was free and easy and...my job to do so.

Are we all saying, that LastFM can't get this same permission.?? lol!

Shaolin Temple of Boom: Official video for 'I Would Detsroy' @ LastFM

Music: Skiye@LastFM, Ellsbeth@LastFM, ShaolinTempleOfBoom@LastFM, ZeroKing@MySpace, Woolgather @ LastFM, Circa@LastFM(BillySherwood/AlanWhite), Lunarium@LastFM, DigJelly@LastFM, The Cryb@MySpace.

[quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] disse: So,....you guys are basically saying. HBO-who charges an extra 10.00 a month fee- has liscense to distribute quality content, which is unquestionably, a reasonable fee. I agree there. Which also means, LastFM will need copyright distribution rights in order to offer quality content. Okay, what JohnBHenry stated above has convinced me of this much; I'll subscribe, as long as I can stream Metallica, or at least, the equivalant major artist that has recently- but not too recently- released new content, same as the movies. I already understand how copyright permissions work guys. I deal with it on a daily basis. My agenda in this forum, is to show a comparision between what LastFM is offering for three dollars and what their competition [I]has[/I] been offering for nearly the same subscription fee. Also, what LastFM offers for free is by far, much less than their competition is offering us. Has any one of you checked out Yahoo Music Launch? Their homepage alone reveals the truth, which is, LastFM does not come close to offering us, what Yahoo is offering for 2.99 a month, or what Mixposure offers for FREE, or Jamendo, Imeem, ILike, or even the likes of Hulu TV, Underground Video TV and Joost TV for FREE. I have been wracking my brain, how to get my bands on LastFM, when they believe LastFM is not worth the time. Think about it? I can get a radio liscense to stream FCC regulated media and play Metallica all day long, if I wish. My neighbor did it in a two car garage with no real income involved. It's simply too easy and it's free. Why do I listen to TrueAnthem and Broadjam [I]more[/I] than I would LastFM? Because, Those companies pay the artist- that we happen to be enjoying free of any charge. I will not give my money to a site, that doesn't support the very artists that make them who they are. ______________________ Still. all our bands are already here now, with the exception of Ellsbeth. Shannon(lead vox) did upload a track, but this very same track is in rotation at Clear Channel affiliates, with much more exposure and plenty of books from such ventures. The LastFM feeler, has done us no good at all and recieved no aknowledgement through LastFM, or any follow-up books. Isn't it a bit curious, that Ellsbeth. Zeroking, Lunarium, etc., Twitter profiles(free application), have gotten the bands over a dozen bookings, yet LastFM hasn't gotten our dozen bands anything at all? ______________________ [B]See, I am for the artist, as well as the fans and I am not a big fan of third party affiliates, who do not show any appreciation to the artist and fans. Hey everyone, Even I have written federal copyright permissions, with several music artists and it was free and easy and...my job to do so. Are we all saying, that LastFM can't get this same permission.?? lol![/B][quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 3h12
stream Metallica? I don't believe you.

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- CrybKeeper disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 3h36
Babs_05,

Not out to start a skirmish, but isn't the 6 tracks I am playing on Metallicas MySpace page, right now, a stream? Maybe I am missing something here?
I can put those same six tracks into my My Space player, with the other 120 tracks and it plays for hours in a pop-up, while I am at another website chatting or foruming. And, it plays in the order I choose with no shuffle, unless I tick that feature. I also have three different players and all of it is free and BETTER than LastFM at a 3 dollar cost?!

I want our bands to get what they deserve for being a part of LastFM and I want those same bands to be more than willing to sign the copyright permissions form with LastFM. It is just too freaking simple guys.

Shaolin Temple of Boom: Official video for 'I Would Detsroy' @ LastFM

Music: Skiye@LastFM, Ellsbeth@LastFM, ShaolinTempleOfBoom@LastFM, ZeroKing@MySpace, Woolgather @ LastFM, Circa@LastFM(BillySherwood/AlanWhite), Lunarium@LastFM, DigJelly@LastFM, The Cryb@MySpace.

[quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] disse: Babs_05, Not out to start a skirmish, but isn't the 6 tracks I am playing on Metallicas MySpace page, right now, a stream? Maybe I am missing something here? I can put those same six tracks into my My Space player, with the other 120 tracks and it plays for hours in a pop-up, while I am at another website chatting or foruming. And, it plays in the order I choose with no shuffle, unless I tick that feature. I also have three different players and all of it is free and BETTER than LastFM at a 3 dollar cost?! I want our bands to get what they deserve for being a part of LastFM and I want those same bands to be more than willing to sign the copyright permissions form with LastFM. It is just too freaking simple guys.[quote]
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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 3h42
They must have give permission in MySpace only. They're very strict about these things. Maybe you can listen for hours, but you're listening to the same six tracks in all that time...

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: They must have give permission in MySpace only. They're very strict about these things. Maybe you can listen for hours, but you're listening to the same six tracks in all that time...[quote]

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- CrybKeeper disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 3h47
Yes, That is completely true Babs. But LastFM offers me zero tracks for 3 bucks, instead of six tracks for free, all day, 24/7.

I edited my above post. Sorry Babs, I do that shtick too often, but the post is generally the same.

King of EDITing: Not only do I know I am on the right track here, I believe CBS is smart enough, that staff are already taking my suggestions...and rants, under serious consideration. Don't fight me here everyone. What I am trying to establish, is more bang for our subscription buck and not only am I correct, I should have the fans and artists supporting me on these improvements.

I would die for my bands and I nearly have too. They deserve to get something for doing the major part of the work: doesn't anyone agree?

Shaolin Temple of Boom: Official video for 'I Would Detsroy' @ LastFM

Music: Skiye@LastFM, Ellsbeth@LastFM, ShaolinTempleOfBoom@LastFM, ZeroKing@MySpace, Woolgather @ LastFM, Circa@LastFM(BillySherwood/AlanWhite), Lunarium@LastFM, DigJelly@LastFM, The Cryb@MySpace.

[quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] disse: Yes, That is completely true Babs. But LastFM offers me zero tracks for 3 bucks, instead of six tracks for free, all day, 24/7. I edited my above post. Sorry Babs, I do that shtick too often, but the post is generally the same. [U]King of EDITing:[/U] Not only do I know I am on the right track here, I believe CBS is smart enough, that staff are already taking my suggestions...and rants, under serious consideration. Don't fight me here everyone. What I am trying to establish, is more bang for our subscription buck and not only am I correct, I should have the fans and artists supporting me on these improvements. I would die for my bands and I nearly have too. They deserve to get something for doing the major part of the work: doesn't anyone agree?[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 4h12
That's because Metallica are soooo tight with their permissions. Nothing to do with Last.fm. They're just stingy misers.

No one's going to argue with you about bands deserving more recognition. The only obstacle I see is people having the time to listen to everything. That's about the plain truth of it.

And bands of the stature of Metallica, global giants, have all the recognition any band could possibly want.

hehehe I'm on to you now. I'll quote you next time. ;D

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: That's because Metallica are soooo tight with their permissions. Nothing to do with Last.fm. They're just stingy misers. No one's going to argue with you about bands deserving more recognition. The only obstacle I see is people having the time to listen to everything. That's about the plain truth of it. And bands of the stature of Metallica, global giants, have all the recognition any band could possibly want. hehehe I'm on to you now. I'll quote you next time. ;D[quote]

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- CrybKeeper disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 4h40
Hehee back at ya. Yes, you are definitely 'on to me' Babs and it's okay to call me out.

I certainly believe in, the potential of who I publicize and wouldn't want to jeaporize the musicians. Check my sig for LastFM band profiles. Ellsbeth is My Space linked, because they haven't yet decided LastFM can give them the exposure they wish.

Like you said, " Metallica certainly do not need more exposure". Ellsbeth is #1 Goth band in the world, dubbed by My Space Music.com. It's hard to convince them, why LastFM would be any better.

Shaolin Temple of Boom: Official video for 'I Would Detsroy' @ LastFM

Music: Skiye@LastFM, Ellsbeth@LastFM, ShaolinTempleOfBoom@LastFM, ZeroKing@MySpace, Woolgather @ LastFM, Circa@LastFM(BillySherwood/AlanWhite), Lunarium@LastFM, DigJelly@LastFM, The Cryb@MySpace.

[quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] disse: Hehee back at ya. Yes, you are definitely 'on to me' Babs and it's okay to call me out. I certainly believe in, the potential of who I publicize and wouldn't want to jeaporize the musicians. Check my sig for LastFM band profiles. Ellsbeth is [B]My Space linked[/B], because they haven't yet decided LastFM can give them the exposure they wish. Like you said, " Metallica certainly do not need more exposure". Ellsbeth is #1 Goth band in the world, dubbed by My Space Music.com. It's hard to convince them, why LastFM would be any better.[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 29 2009, 4h46
ooh goth?! I love my goth. If they do decide to upload in Last.fm, please please please join my group Central Point: where artists and listeners meet. Just for me if not for anyone else. :D

I'll add them to the radios, and I hear they do bring in more listeners. I haven't measured it though.

(haha sooo off topic!) :D:D

hmmm. not as good as Sisters of Mercy. alright though.

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: ooh goth?! I love my goth. If they do decide to upload in Last.fm, please please please join my group [group]Central Point: where artists and listeners meet[/group]. Just for me if not for anyone else. :D I'll add them to the radios, and I hear they do bring in more listeners. I haven't measured it though. (haha sooo off topic!) :D:D hmmm. not as good as Sisters of Mercy. alright though.[quote]

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- JohnBHenry disse...
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- Jun 30 2009, 16h06
I think it depends on what you see as the primary function of the Last.fm site is, which I think varies from user to user.

I primarily use it to keep track of the music that I play.
Secondarily I use the recommendations system to find new artist similar to the music I already listen to, I will then usually use other sources to listen to and assess the new music.

Primarily I listen to music on my iPod at work, my old iPod died a few months ago and I got to experiment with alternative methods including Spotify and Last.fm for listening to music at work, with the result that I ended up going back to my iPod, I like the convenience of carrying are reasonable percentage of my music collection around with me and accessing what matches my mood at the drop of a hat.

I therefore pay most of my subscription to keep track of my scrobbles, and I am happy to pay at the current level to support the site to do that.

If one of your bands sounds sufficiently like any bands that I listen to then I'll probably get a recommendation on them. And track their music down for a listen.

As far as I know Last.fm has never claimed it should be any better than MySpace, and performs an entirely different function. As far as I'm aware with band content it is generally left to labels to upload music then once it's uploaded apart from occasional checks on the accuracy of the Wiki then Last.fm is relatively low maintenance compared with MySpace. In UK/US/Germany radio streaming is free, and the band could quickly find themselves streaming on recommended radios, along with goth tag radio stations, introducing them to a wider audience at no cost to the band. Once a user has listened to the band their event recommendations may then show that the band is playing near them, and they could decide to attend the gig. So potentially new listeners and increased event attendance at the capital cost of a few hours (maximum) of uploading tracks to the artist page, you're the publicist I'll leave the cost/benefit analysis of the attractions to the artist up to you.

For the subscriber as I said earlier the decision as to whether the subscription price is justified lies with them.

Why do I listen to TrueAnthem and Broadjam more than I would LastFM? Because, Those companies pay the artist- that we happen to be enjoying free of any charge.

Last.fm is free to stream in the UK/US/Germany and pays the artist, the extension to other countries is a different question.

Correct me if I'm wrong Broadjam and TrueAnthem are directed only at smaller independent bands? If this is the case than their user base and cost of getting tunes to those few losers is far less than Last.fm's, that may be the reason for the difference in the business models. If either site got as large as Last and got the large range of large artists Last currently has it would be interesting to see if they could survive with the free for everyone and pay the artists business model.

[quote][b][user]JohnBHenry[/user][/b] disse: I think it depends on what you see as the primary function of the Last.fm site is, which I think varies from user to user. I primarily use it to keep track of the music that I play. Secondarily I use the recommendations system to find new artist similar to the music I already listen to, I will then usually use other sources to listen to and assess the new music. Primarily I listen to music on my iPod at work, my old iPod died a few months ago and I got to experiment with alternative methods including Spotify and Last.fm for listening to music at work, with the result that I ended up going back to my iPod, I like the convenience of carrying are reasonable percentage of my music collection around with me and accessing what matches my mood at the drop of a hat. I therefore pay most of my subscription to keep track of my scrobbles, and I am happy to pay at the current level to support the site to do that. If one of your bands sounds sufficiently like any bands that I listen to then I'll probably get a recommendation on them. And track their music down for a listen. As far as I know Last.fm has never claimed it should be any better than MySpace, and performs an entirely different function. As far as I'm aware with band content it is generally left to labels to upload music then once it's uploaded apart from occasional checks on the accuracy of the Wiki then Last.fm is relatively low maintenance compared with MySpace. In UK/US/Germany radio streaming is free, and the band could quickly find themselves streaming on recommended radios, along with goth tag radio stations, introducing them to a wider audience at no cost to the band. Once a user has listened to the band their event recommendations may then show that the band is playing near them, and they could decide to attend the gig. So potentially new listeners and increased event attendance at the capital cost of a few hours (maximum) of uploading tracks to the artist page, you're the publicist I'll leave the cost/benefit analysis of the attractions to the artist up to you. For the subscriber as I said earlier the decision as to whether the subscription price is justified lies with them. [quote]Why do I listen to TrueAnthem and Broadjam more than I would LastFM? Because, Those companies pay the artist- that we happen to be enjoying free of any charge.[/quote] Last.fm is free to stream in the UK/US/Germany and pays the artist, the extension to other countries is a different question. Correct me if I'm wrong Broadjam and TrueAnthem are directed only at smaller independent bands? If this is the case than their user base and cost of getting tunes to those few losers is far less than Last.fm's, that may be the reason for the difference in the business models. If either site got as large as Last and got the large range of large artists Last currently has it would be interesting to see if they could survive with the free for everyone and pay the artists business model.[quote]

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- CrybKeeper disse...
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- Jul 3 2009, 10h38
Brads TrueAnthem site is very new and bands cannot just sign up an start uploading. TrueAnthem screens artists before accepting and matching them with advertisers, that are similar with the bands style. half the bands are very well known and signed to major labels.
You are right, but it is too early to tell, if TrueAnthems model will succeed.

However, calling them 'losers' was completely rude and a terrible way to support the struggling artist. besides, LastFM is like 80% indie and unsigned, same as everywhere else you could name.

Itunes is something I try to stay away from. Nothing against fans and artists who use it, because it is a huge majority of world pop., who use it, but Itunes are MAC apps and no matter how savvy I am with PC configs, QuickTime disables all media apps by Windows. This is true for Win2000pro, ME, XP and Vista. Have had nothing but headaches with MAC utilities and apps, when installed on PCs. I have like 20 computers here with me. 11 MACs and 6 PC's. 4 of them are networked PC's. The MACs- not surprisingly, handle the Quicktime updates flawlessly.

@Babs,

Thanks for supporting them Babs. Ellsbeth just signed with Frenso Media and Dinomay Management, so they just went majors last week. Dinomay Mngnt. represent stars, from Everybody Loves Raymond, As Good As It Gets, Jesse James and Star Wars-Revenge Of the Sithe. they hold MTV awards, Academy awards and many more. So, be watching for Ellsbeth to explode on the scene very soon.

You are right about Ellsbeth-they aren't the best of Goth bands. What makes Ellsbeth so popular, is they sound exactly that good unmastered and live. Very, very few bands can pull that off, including bands like Megadeth, Accept, Judas Priest and Faith No More, whom all, I have seen live and been slightly disappointed with.

Clear Channel and Satellite radio have Ellsbeth songs in rotation, in Huntington W.V., Cleveland, OH. and Chicago, IL, just to name a few and the submitted presskit was unmastered tracks that are cuurently being broadcast. This is a major no-no for FM radio, but for Ellsbeth they were so impressed with the quality, they broke their own rule and put Ellsbeth in anyway. It was my job to get that accomplished and Ellsbeth are so good, it made the job easy.

I will def join that group Babs. Thank you!

Shaolin Temple of Boom: Official video for 'I Would Detsroy' @ LastFM

Music: Skiye@LastFM, Ellsbeth@LastFM, ShaolinTempleOfBoom@LastFM, ZeroKing@MySpace, Woolgather @ LastFM, Circa@LastFM(BillySherwood/AlanWhite), Lunarium@LastFM, DigJelly@LastFM, The Cryb@MySpace.

[quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] disse: Brads TrueAnthem site is very new and bands cannot just sign up an start uploading. TrueAnthem screens artists before accepting and matching them with advertisers, that are similar with the bands style. half the bands are very well known and signed to major labels. You are right, but it is too early to tell, if TrueAnthems model will succeed. However, calling them 'losers' was completely rude and a terrible way to support the struggling artist. besides, LastFM is like 80% indie and unsigned, same as everywhere else you could name. Itunes is something I try to stay away from. Nothing against fans and artists who use it, because it is a huge majority of world pop., who use it, but Itunes are MAC apps and no matter how savvy I am with PC configs, QuickTime disables all media apps by Windows. This is true for Win2000pro, ME, XP and Vista. Have had nothing but headaches with MAC utilities and apps, when installed on PCs. I have like 20 computers here with me. 11 MACs and 6 PC's. 4 of them are networked PC's. The MACs- not surprisingly, handle the Quicktime updates flawlessly. @Babs, Thanks for supporting them Babs. Ellsbeth just signed with Frenso Media and Dinomay Management, so they just went majors last week. Dinomay Mngnt. represent stars, from [I]Everybody Loves Raymond, As Good As It Gets, Jesse James[/I] and [I]Star Wars-Revenge Of the Sithe[/I]. they hold MTV awards, Academy awards and many more. So, be watching for Ellsbeth to explode on the scene very soon. You are right about Ellsbeth-they aren't the best of Goth bands. What makes Ellsbeth so popular, is they sound exactly that good unmastered and live. Very, very few bands can pull that off, including bands like Megadeth, Accept, Judas Priest and Faith No More, whom all, I have seen live and been slightly disappointed with. Clear Channel and Satellite radio have Ellsbeth songs in rotation, in Huntington W.V., Cleveland, OH. and Chicago, IL, just to name a few and the submitted presskit was unmastered tracks that are cuurently being broadcast. This is a major no-no for FM radio, but for Ellsbeth they were so impressed with the quality, they broke their own rule and put Ellsbeth in anyway. It was my job to get that accomplished and Ellsbeth are so good, it made the job easy. I will def join that group Babs. Thank you![quote]

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- JohnBHenry disse...
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- Jul 3 2009, 12h34
Apologies, the losers comment wasn't meant, was typing a post as quickly as possible before going home at the end of a working day, Freudian typo I guess as my mind was wandering at the time, should have read "users".

And perhaps Last.fm is 80% indie and unsigned, I fail to see what relevane that has to do with anything. I suspect the majority of the music that people listen to streamed from Last.fm comes from the other 20%, so Last.fm has to have a business model to pay the artist for the music streamed, pay for the servers that stream the music, pay for the struggling programmers who work for them, and then hopefully at the end of the day maybe have some profit at some point to justify it's continued existence as a company. They choose to balance some of this revenue with user subscriptions, I'm pretty (at least 65%) sure they have some sort of business rationale behind the rates they set subscriptions at, and as I said earlier it's up to the user to choose whether they feel the service justifies the cost.

I also don't really see what was relevant about the number of computers you're surrounded by (I'm in an office and have 15 computers around me, all PC's if you're interested) and have never had any problem with Quicktime or Apple aps on a PC. I just like my iPod, and it's nice that I can scrobble from it, before that I used a Creative Zen device, which I also liked, but didn't scrobble, I could give you the history and evolution of my music listening habits up to this point, but none of that would really be relevant.

I was just trying to give you some idea about how I use this site, and consume music, everyone is different and can select their own way of doing these things. I wasn't proposing that everyone use iTunes, a small minority of my music purchases come from there, about half of my purchases are still cds, and the other half are download purchases from other sources. I also try and support the bands I'm passionate about by going to see them live whenever possible, purchasing merch, or recently helping my favourite band record it's latest album. I would hope the revenue stream the artists get from this is better than what they would receive by just listening to the artist on any music site (free or subscribed). I wrote a proposal in this forum once, lost in the mists of time and unfindable with the search function, proposing that there could be a subscription method whereby subscribers pay so much per month, Last.fm keeps track of their monthly scrobbles and distributes the money from that subscription to the artists scrobbled in proportion to scrobbles, the idea was completely ignored by pretty much everyone. So I support the struggling artists as much as I possibly can with my revenue stream, in the same way I support Last.fm for keeping track of my listening habits and recommending new artists to me, wont anyone think of the struggling programmers....

[quote][b][user]JohnBHenry[/user][/b] disse: Apologies, the losers comment wasn't meant, was typing a post as quickly as possible before going home at the end of a working day, Freudian typo I guess as my mind was wandering at the time, should have read "users". And perhaps Last.fm is 80% indie and unsigned, I fail to see what relevane that has to do with anything. I suspect the majority of the music that people listen to streamed from Last.fm comes from the other 20%, so Last.fm has to have a business model to pay the artist for the music streamed, pay for the servers that stream the music, pay for the struggling programmers who work for them, and then hopefully at the end of the day maybe have some profit at some point to justify it's continued existence as a company. They choose to balance some of this revenue with user subscriptions, I'm pretty (at least 65%) sure they have some sort of business rationale behind the rates they set subscriptions at, and as I said earlier it's up to the user to choose whether they feel the service justifies the cost. I also don't really see what was relevant about the number of computers you're surrounded by (I'm in an office and have 15 computers around me, all PC's if you're interested) and have never had any problem with Quicktime or Apple aps on a PC. I just like my iPod, and it's nice that I can scrobble from it, before that I used a Creative Zen device, which I also liked, but didn't scrobble, I could give you the history and evolution of my music listening habits up to this point, but none of that would really be relevant. I was just trying to give you some idea about how I use this site, and consume music, everyone is different and can select their own way of doing these things. I wasn't proposing that everyone use iTunes, a small minority of my music purchases come from there, about half of my purchases are still cds, and the other half are download purchases from other sources. I also try and support the bands I'm passionate about by going to see them live whenever possible, purchasing merch, or recently helping my favourite band [url=http://wealsoran.com/music/2008/11/idlewild-will-let-you-buy-record-that.php]record it's latest album.[/url] I would hope the revenue stream the artists get from this is better than what they would receive by just listening to the artist on any music site (free or subscribed). I wrote a proposal in this forum once, lost in the mists of time and unfindable with the search function, proposing that there could be a subscription method whereby subscribers pay so much per month, Last.fm keeps track of their monthly scrobbles and distributes the money from that subscription to the artists scrobbled in proportion to scrobbles, the idea was completely ignored by pretty much everyone. So I support the struggling artists as much as I possibly can with my revenue stream, in the same way I support Last.fm for keeping track of my listening habits and recommending new artists to me, wont anyone think of the struggling programmers....[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jul 3 2009, 15h29
80% indie?? That's not my impression.

oh wait. depends on your definition of 'indie'. 'indie' as in the sub-genre of rock, maybe not. 'indie' as in short for 'independent', possibly.

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: 80% indie?? That's not my impression. oh wait. depends on your definition of 'indie'. 'indie' as in the sub-genre of rock, maybe not. 'indie' as in short for 'independent', possibly.[quote]

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- CrybKeeper disse...
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- Jul 8 2009, 11h03
Yes, I did mean independent, unsigned, minor labels, etc. the 80% is just a 'guesstimate' based on the music scene as a whole.

Okay,

So everyone has convinced me, my attempts are futile. Besides, I am using LastFM more and more all the time. It isn't a great place for continual streaming, unless you subscribe, but it is supra convenient for gauging user data and compatibility with friends here.

I'll have to admit those features are the best, I have found on the net so far.

Shaolin Temple of Boom: Official video for 'I Would Detsroy' @ LastFM

Music: Skiye@LastFM, Ellsbeth@LastFM, ShaolinTempleOfBoom@LastFM, ZeroKing@MySpace, Woolgather @ LastFM, Circa@LastFM(BillySherwood/AlanWhite), Lunarium@LastFM, DigJelly@LastFM, The Cryb@MySpace.

[quote][b][user]CrybKeeper[/user][/b] disse: Yes, I did mean independent, unsigned, minor labels, etc. the 80% is just a 'guesstimate' based on the music scene as a whole. Okay, So everyone has convinced me, my attempts are futile. Besides, I am using LastFM more and more all the time. It isn't a great place for continual streaming, unless you subscribe, but it is supra convenient for gauging user data and compatibility with friends here. I'll have to admit those features are the best, I have found on the net so far.[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jul 8 2009, 13h54
I don't know. 80% seems too high to me. There's a lot of mainstream here too. (or my idea of mainstream anyway!)

It's crazy addictive here, isn't it? ; )

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: I don't know. 80% seems too high to me. There's a lot of mainstream here too. (or my idea of mainstream anyway!) It's crazy addictive here, isn't it? ; )[quote]

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