May 20 Site Update

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- jeb42 disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h19
Will the flash player get redesigned?

Now that it only appears on track pages(just one line, a lot of white space) and on user profiles(where they are a lot less useful than on artist and album pages imo).

[quote][b][user]jeb42[/user][/b] disse: Will the flash player get redesigned? Now that it only appears on track pages(just one line, a lot of white space) and on user profiles(where they are a lot less useful than on artist and album pages imo).[quote]

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- aeolianharpist disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h19
As a small artist that relies heavily on my listeners being able to stream my full length/continuous albums, I can say without a doubt that this change will be crushing for my prospects of acquiring new listeners. My albums are almost all entirely free to download, but nonetheless my listeners prefer to play my albums through the pages, and it's simply far more convenient to have the whole album playable on one page, while reading the wiki, working on other things, etc... Now, if one wishes to hear a whole album (where tracks are meant to have minimal to no break between) one must interrupt whatever they are doing to find and play the next track. Absolutely no one will be willing to do this. Combined with already minimal exposure, this guarantees that many of the pieces I write henceforth will never be heard by anyone within the last.fm community except close friends.

Forgive my frustration, but I am sure that there are more efficient/convenient ways to conserve costs without damaging much of the main attraction of this site.

[quote][b][user]aeolianharpist[/user][/b] disse: As a small artist that relies heavily on my listeners being able to stream my full length/continuous albums, I can say without a doubt that this change will be crushing for my prospects of acquiring new listeners. My albums are almost all entirely free to download, but nonetheless my listeners prefer to play my albums through the pages, and it's simply far more convenient to have the whole album playable on one page, while reading the wiki, working on other things, etc... Now, if one wishes to hear a whole album (where tracks are meant to have minimal to no break between) one must interrupt whatever they are doing to find and play the next track. Absolutely no one will be willing to do this. Combined with already minimal exposure, this guarantees that many of the pieces I write henceforth will never be heard by anyone within the last.fm community except close friends. Forgive my frustration, but I am sure that there are more efficient/convenient ways to conserve costs without damaging much of the main attraction of this site. [quote]

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- aeolianharpist disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h19
not sure why that double posted...

But my point remains.

[quote][b][user]aeolianharpist[/user][/b] disse: not sure why that double posted... But my point remains. [quote]
Editado por aeolianharpist em Mai 20 2009, 17h20

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- gadgetchannel disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h19
foreverautumn said:
I think these featured tracks will still appear in the top right corner of the artist page, like here for instance: http://www.last.fm/music/Kings+of+Leon

It looks like the featured tracks have got stuck for some artists - I am registered as a label and noticed that the tracks were not showing for an artist. Re-saving the featured tracks without making any changes fixed it and the tracks now appear.

[quote][b][user]gadgetchannel[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]foreverautumn[/user][/b] said: I think these featured tracks will still appear in the top right corner of the artist page, like here for instance: http://www.last.fm/music/Kings+of+Leon[/quote] It looks like the featured tracks have got stuck for some artists - I am registered as a label and noticed that the tracks were not showing for an artist. Re-saving the featured tracks without making any changes fixed it and the tracks now appear.[quote]

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- rickskin disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h29
Boy. My initial impression of this update is bad.

[quote][b][user]rickskin[/user][/b] disse: Boy. My initial impression of this update is bad.[quote]

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- flaneur disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h37
Some quick responses to questions...

@aeolianharpist:
We're already working on updates to the music manager and to the artist pages so that you can feature your content in different ways, we hear you there. Keep an eye out as the first of those changes should go live in a couple weeks or so.

@jeb42:
Yup, we hope to fix up the single-track player soon, as right now I agree it's not the best use of space.

[quote][b][user]flaneur[/user][/b] disse: Some quick responses to questions... @aeolianharpist: We're already working on updates to the music manager and to the artist pages so that you can feature your content in different ways, we hear you there. Keep an eye out as the first of those changes should go live in a couple weeks or so. @jeb42: Yup, we hope to fix up the single-track player soon, as right now I agree it's not the best use of space. [quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h57
Appalling move. Quite shocking, really. And what a mess. You put these clunky flash players on every page, including our Profiles, for the sake of 'consistency' and now you've changed your minds. Are you going to shift the players off our pages now? I hope you do.

Agree with everyone here - I have no incentive to listen to albums in Last.fm anymore. I've got Spotify and more likely than not, I'll be using that. And that's despite loving this site so much. You're making it really hard for me to support you.

Bizarre that I'm just reading this: 20 May 09, Billboard, Analysis: MySpace Album Premieres Lack 'Stickiness' which basically says Last.fm and Lala are the two best places ("correct venues") for artists to place their albums. Billboard will have to rewrite that.

If you need more money, why not go ahead and roll out compulsory subscriptions in the remaining 3 countries? Unless that still wouldn't bring in enough?

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: Appalling move. Quite shocking, really. And what a mess. You put these clunky flash players on every page, including our Profiles, for the sake of 'consistency' and now you've changed your minds. Are you going to shift the players off our pages now? I hope you do. Agree with everyone here - I have no incentive to listen to albums in Last.fm anymore. I've got Spotify and more likely than not, I'll be using that. And that's despite loving this site so much. You're making it really hard for me to support you. Bizarre that I'm just reading this: [url=http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i3f5cf679b16352f6b88d670101db1ce6]20 May 09, Billboard, Analysis: MySpace Album Premieres Lack 'Stickiness'[/url] which basically says Last.fm and Lala are the two best places ("correct venues") for artists to place their albums. Billboard will have to rewrite that. If you need more money, why not go ahead and roll out compulsory subscriptions in the remaining 3 countries? Unless that still wouldn't bring in enough?[quote]

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- imacgirl disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 17h59
Well, there goes all the albums I bookmarked to listen to. Nice going last.fm. Oh, and if I want to look at videos, I'll go to youtube for that, certainly not here. Add me to the list of unhappy campers.

[quote][b][user]imacgirl[/user][/b] disse: Well, there goes all the albums I bookmarked to listen to. Nice going last.fm. Oh, and if I want to look at videos, I'll go to youtube for that, certainly not here. Add me to the list of unhappy campers.[quote]

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- BoneMastaa disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 18h03
What a tragic waste. I'm glad I didn't renew my subscription.

[quote][b][user]BoneMastaa[/user][/b] disse: What a tragic waste. I'm glad I didn't renew my subscription.[quote]

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- adamzZz disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 18h11
I totally agree with Babs.

I subscribe, but I just don't want to listen to Last.fm radio. Listening to full albums and tracks in Spotify is worth my time much more. I can listen to everything, anytime, without any limits, while here listening to music is just painful.

[quote][b][user]adamzZz[/user][/b] disse: I totally agree with Babs. I subscribe, but I just don't want to listen to Last.fm radio. Listening to full albums and tracks in Spotify is worth my time much more. I can listen to everything, anytime, without any limits, while here listening to music is just painful.[quote]

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- buzz-in disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 18h12
BoneMastaa said:
What a tragic waste. I'm glad I didn't renew my subscription.

Yeah, I'll be cancelling my subscription at the end of the month.

[quote][b][user]buzz-in[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]BoneMastaa[/user][/b] said: What a tragic waste. I'm glad I didn't renew my subscription.[/quote] Yeah, I'll be cancelling my subscription at the end of the month.[quote]

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- lizvelrene disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 18h36
Well, crap. I just went to the trouble of searching out streamable albums (in several journal entries) and now you've made them unplayable.

What feature will be going away next?

[quote][b][user]lizvelrene[/user][/b] disse: Well, crap. I just went to the trouble of searching out streamable albums (in several journal entries) and now you've made them unplayable. What feature will be going away next?[quote]

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- Mariooow disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 18h43
everybody already brought good arguments... so I'll just say...:

fuckers -.-

[quote][b][user]Mariooow[/user][/b] disse: everybody already brought good arguments... so I'll just say...: fuckers -.-[quote]

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- dementio13 disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h12
Why not give artists the choice of having a player on their album pages, or for individual tracks? Its obviously gonna make albums nigh on impossible to listen to in full when you keep having to reload a new page/player for each track

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[quote][b][user]dementio13[/user][/b] disse: Why not give artists the choice of having a player on their album pages, or for individual tracks? Its obviously gonna make albums nigh on impossible to listen to in full when you keep having to reload a new page/player for each track[quote]

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- Drums68 disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h24
Goodbye LOST.FM

I just knew it would come to this...another good reason for not renewing my subscription, thanks. And I'm so fed up with your arguments that I'm actually thinking about totally boycotting this site and delete my albums, and tell my friends too, on my way out this door in a hurry!!! this will be the drop...hello and cheers to :
Deezer, Jango and Jamendo
And goodbye LO$T.FM..when will you learn?!!

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[quote][b][user]Drums68[/user][/b] disse: I just knew it would come to this...another good reason for not renewing my subscription, thanks. And I'm so fed up with your arguments that I'm actually thinking about totally boycotting this site and delete my albums, and tell my friends too, on my way out this door in a hurry!!! this will be the drop...hello and cheers to : Deezer, Jango and Jamendo And goodbye LO$T.FM..when will you learn?!![quote]
Editado por Drums68 em Mai 22 2009, 8h19

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- HodgeStar disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h31
Re:May 20 Site Update

Question: Does last.fm have to pay for streaming 30 sec previews?

If not i would suggest to reintroduce the inline play-icon-players which play the preview instantly wherever they appear on the site. The album tracklists could have an album preview function again like on amazon. If some tracks are full on-demand the "full" annotation could link to the track page which then plays the full version, consistent with the "free download" links.

flaneur said:
We have to consider a lot of factors when we do, such as cost, current usage patterns, consistency, and user experience. This is a small structural change that we think, in the long run, will play to our strengths as a music discovery, recommendation, and profile/stats service.
Consistency, user experience and music discovery!!! i'm all for it, but please don't put the cart before the horse.

[quote][b][user]HodgeStar[/user][/b] disse: Question: Does last.fm have to pay for streaming 30 sec previews? If not i would suggest to reintroduce the inline play-icon-players which play the preview instantly wherever they appear on the site. The album tracklists could have an album preview function again like on amazon. If some tracks are full on-demand the "full" annotation could link to the track page which then plays the full version, consistent with the "free download" links. [quote][b][user]flaneur[/user][/b] said: We have to consider a lot of factors when we do, such as cost, current usage patterns, consistency, and user experience. This is a small structural change that we think, in the long run, will play to our strengths as a music discovery, recommendation, and profile/stats service. [/quote]Consistency, user experience and music discovery!!! i'm all for it, but please don't put the cart before the horse.[quote]

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- Shyft_VahtiDahl disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h32
Two thumbs down. What an awkward hassle.

I make some kickin gabber. I am Shyft.

I make some outlandish metal. I am Red Ankh.

I make some schizophrenic avant-garde. I am Philopsycho Lawlawlawl.

[quote][b][user]Shyft_VahtiDahl[/user][/b] disse: Two thumbs down. What an awkward hassle.[quote]

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- unmadebed_ disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h41
I just use this site for: 1. Previewing songs and 2. Scrobbling
Congratulations, you guys just managed to make number 1 excruciatingly painful. And the whole argumentation is nonsense, if I'm not interested in clicking your bloody ads on the artist page, I won't even look at them in any of the 20 tabs I'm now forced to open. And that leaves you with the cost of transmitting me 4 pages of almost 700KB each. What's the next move, forcing the users to open a tab for every shout on the shoutbox or, better yet, for each word on the artist's wiki ?

Luckily I know you aren't going to take No.2 away - really unfortunate, that'd save you a lot of bandwidth, computing power and money - simply because without our listening data and user generated content this site would be a huge void.

I, like thousands of other users, am really close to saying goodbye to last.fm (or what's left of it).

20th May: You like tabbed browsing and heavy flash content, right ? Great ! This is the update for YOU ! Now you're forced to open a tab filled with flash ads every single time you want to listen to 30 seconds of music.
22th May: Oh, you're not from the golden trinity of countries ? Too bad, no radio for you.

[quote][b][user]unmadebed_[/user][/b] disse: I just use this site for: [b]1.[/b] Previewing songs and [b]2.[/b] Scrobbling Congratulations, you guys just managed to make number 1 excruciatingly painful. And the whole argumentation is nonsense, if I'm not interested in clicking your bloody ads on the artist page, I won't even look at them in any of the 20 tabs I'm now forced to open. And that leaves you with the cost of transmitting me 4 pages of almost 700KB each. What's the next move, forcing the users to open a tab for every shout on the shoutbox or, better yet, for each word on the artist's wiki ? Luckily I know you aren't going to take No.2 away - really unfortunate, that'd save you a lot of bandwidth, computing power and money - simply because without our listening data and user generated content this site would be a huge void. I, like thousands of other users, am really close to saying goodbye to last.fm (or what's left of it). [b]20th May:[/b] You like tabbed browsing and heavy flash content, right ? Great ! This is the update for YOU ! Now you're forced to open a tab filled with flash ads every single time you want to listen to 30 seconds of music. [b]22th May:[/b] Oh, you're not from the golden trinity of countries ? Too bad, no radio for you.[quote]

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- Salurion disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h41
Will you remove the player on the profile pages too? That would be great :)

[quote][b][user]Salurion[/user][/b] disse: Will you remove the player on the profile pages too? That would be great :)[quote]

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- fmera disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h41
Re: Re:May 20 Site Update

HodgeStar said:
Question: Does last.fm have to pay for streaming 30 sec previews?

If not i would suggest to reintroduce the inline play-icon-players which play the preview instantly wherever they appear on the site. The album tracklists could have an album preview function again like on amazon. If some tracks are full on-demand the "full" annotation could link to the track page which then plays the full version, consistent with the "free download" links.
good question. splendid idea. i'm all for it.

U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.

[quote][b][user]fmera[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]HodgeStar[/user][/b] said: Question: Does last.fm have to pay for streaming 30 sec previews? If not i would suggest to reintroduce the inline play-icon-players which play the preview instantly wherever they appear on the site. The album tracklists could have an album preview function again like on amazon. If some tracks are full on-demand the "full" annotation could link to the track page which then plays the full version, consistent with the "free download" links.[/quote] good question. splendid idea. i'm all for it.[quote]

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- akrde disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h42
@flaneur:

Ok, now that you made this step then why not doing the other one right now too:

>>> Stop the whole free-on-demand beta service!!! <<<

Why?

- free tracks are only available in US/UK/DE; other countries are disadvantaged here again
- on-demand service is dead, so there's no justification for such a beta in US/UK/DE anymore
- free tracks = too much royalty fees

And what after that?

- bring back the flash player on artist/album pages for previews and some full tracks (formerly marked with a golden arrow)
- cooperate with Spotify for on-demand streaming, integrate Spotify's streaming service in the Last.fm design
- concentrate on radios, recommendations, community

Just some thoughts....

[quote][b][user]akrde[/user][/b] disse: @flaneur: Ok, now that you made this step then why not doing the other one right now too: >>> Stop the whole free-on-demand beta service!!! <<< Why? - free tracks are only available in US/UK/DE; other countries are disadvantaged here again - on-demand service is dead, so there's no justification for such a beta in US/UK/DE anymore - free tracks = too much royalty fees And what after that? - bring back the flash player on artist/album pages for previews and some full tracks (formerly marked with a golden arrow) - cooperate with Spotify for on-demand streaming, integrate Spotify's streaming service in the Last.fm design - concentrate on radios, recommendations, community Just some thoughts....[quote]

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- buzz-in disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 19h55
This is all quite pointless really, they won't listen. They'll just continue to roll out new features that cut their costs and increase our frustration, all the while hiding it beneath the usual "It'll improve the site for you".

[quote][b][user]buzz-in[/user][/b] disse: This is all quite pointless really, they won't listen. They'll just continue to roll out new features that cut their costs and increase our frustration, all the while hiding it beneath the usual "It'll improve the site for you".[quote]

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- flaneur disse...
- Equipe
- Mai 20 2009, 20h00
We're listening, keep the feedback coming.

[quote][b][user]flaneur[/user][/b] disse: We're listening, keep the feedback coming. [quote]

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- PeterBezemer disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 20h00
the reason

money money money, just money...

http://sites.google.com/site/peterbezemer/
http://PeterBezemer.Hyves.nl
"In the beginning, nothing exploded, and here we are!" (?)

[quote][b][user]PeterBezemer[/user][/b] disse: money money money, just money...[quote]

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- Hoxerijo disse...
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- Mai 20 2009, 20h06
People, see if I'm wrong.

Warner Bros, after a meeting with CBS decided to leave last.fm, putting them in the condition to SELL TO CBS.

When they sold to CBS, that well-known group of SONS OF A BITCH (they lick every kind of ass for money, see their tv program and you'll get it in a couple of hours), and their GREEDY labels friends decided to KILL EVERY FREE ARTIST.

It's all connected with the struggle against p2p.
These REALLY moron manager, the ones that put as in recession with their moron economy strategies, can't understand what's present day: they live out of reality, they still want a market like in the '50s.

And don't forget that BIG ARTIST don't lose even a single scrobbling, while support forum is FULL of unsigned artist who lost 30, 50, 70% of scrobbling.

If it's not clear, they are damaging unsigned artist to transform this site in another load of shit as iLike, websites for mode-driven dumb people who buys what they see at the tv, like monkeys.

They are afraid that the monkeys can mismatch free artists with their Big Fart Talentless Clowns, and listen to them (the bloody unsigned - so not sellable - artists) instead of buying very shitty records made by sound technicians (or do you think that Britney Spears know what is a chord, or a note? You are totally dumb, then. I wonder if Coldplay ever written even only one song: they pass the time listening to old records to find hooks to copy: they know the monkeys got no memory, no opinion).

They are afraid they can't steal ALL the money they can to us.

That's what's happening. Let's see if in a few years they'll kill every opportunity for people who are not enrolled in their MAFIA.

[quote][b][user]Hoxerijo[/user][/b] disse: People, see if I'm wrong. Warner Bros, after a meeting with CBS decided to leave last.fm, putting them in the condition to SELL TO CBS. When they sold to CBS, that well-known group of SONS OF A BITCH (they lick every kind of ass for money, see their tv program and you'll get it in a couple of hours), and their GREEDY labels friends decided to KILL EVERY FREE ARTIST. It's all connected with the struggle against p2p. These REALLY moron manager, the ones that put as in recession with their moron economy strategies, can't understand what's present day: they live out of reality, they still want a market like in the '50s. And don't forget that BIG ARTIST don't lose even a single scrobbling, while support forum is FULL of unsigned artist who lost 30, 50, 70% of scrobbling. If it's not clear, they are damaging unsigned artist to transform this site in another load of shit as iLike, websites for mode-driven dumb people who buys what they see at the tv, like monkeys. They are afraid that the monkeys can mismatch free artists with their Big Fart Talentless Clowns, and listen to them (the bloody unsigned - so not sellable - artists) instead of buying very shitty records made by sound technicians (or do you think that Britney Spears know what is a chord, or a note? You are totally dumb, then. I wonder if Coldplay ever written even only one song: they pass the time listening to old records to find hooks to copy: they know the monkeys got no memory, no opinion). They are afraid they can't steal ALL the money they can to us. That's what's happening. Let's see if in a few years they'll kill every opportunity for people who are not enrolled in their MAFIA.[quote]
Editado por Hoxerijo em Mai 20 2009, 20h12

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