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- brtkrbzhnv disse...
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- Jun 8 2009, 8h19
Babs_05 said:
If anything, I would want the tag clouds back where they used to be, where the players just were. Go on, Last.fm. Pleeeeeease.
Kind of off topic, but I have a Greasemonkey script for that: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38626.

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[quote][b][user]brtkrbzhnv[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] said: If anything, [b]I would want the tag clouds back where they used to be[/b], where the players just were. Go on, Last.fm. Pleeeeeease.[/quote] Kind of off topic, but I have a Greasemonkey script for that: [url]http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38626[/url].[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 8 2009, 15h25
brtkrbzhnv said:
Babs_05 said:
If anything, I would want the tag clouds back where they used to be, where the players just were. Go on, Last.fm. Pleeeeeease.
Kind of off topic, but I have a Greasemonkey script for that: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38626.That's me happy. You've given me back my Last.fm. Thank you. :D

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]brtkrbzhnv[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] said: If anything, [b]I would want the tag clouds back where they used to be[/b], where the players just were. Go on, Last.fm. Pleeeeeease.[/quote] Kind of off topic, but I have a Greasemonkey script for that: [url]http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38626[/url].[/quote]That's me happy. You've given me back my Last.fm. Thank you. :D[quote]

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- vuzh disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 2h27
Babs_05 said:
Absent players from artist / album / track players is inconvenient, absolutely. It's got jack to do with music discovery. You already know what you want when you use these players.

It depends on how you use the service, I suppose. I used to surf around 'similar artists' a lot and check their stuff out via the album player. I discovered a lot of cool obscure stuff that way.

Being a virtually unknown artist myself, and having a page on Last.FM, I think that some potential fan landing on the page would be discouraged away from listening to my stuff by the inconvenience of the new system. Maybe some people would get over the inconvenience... others wouldn't.

Now if you're Eminem or someone that popular, who cares if it's an inconvenience? People want to listen to it, they'll deal with the hassle.

If you're me, someone any potential fan has probably never heard of, you don't want the site to discourage your listeners.

... but that's just the artist's side of it... I'm also a listener, and I really don't use this site like I once did. I haven't found a good replacement yet.

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[quote][b][user]vuzh[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] said: Absent players from artist / album / track players is inconvenient, absolutely. It's got jack to do with music discovery. You already know what you want when you use these players. [/quote] It depends on how you use the service, I suppose. I used to surf around 'similar artists' a lot and check their stuff out via the album player. I discovered a lot of cool obscure stuff that way. Being a virtually unknown artist myself, and having a page on Last.FM, I think that some potential fan landing on the page would be discouraged away from listening to my stuff by the inconvenience of the new system. Maybe some people would get over the inconvenience... others wouldn't. Now if you're Eminem or someone that popular, who cares if it's an inconvenience? People want to listen to it, they'll deal with the hassle. If you're me, someone any potential fan has probably never heard of, you don't want the site to discourage your listeners. ... but that's just the artist's side of it... I'm also a listener, and I really don't use this site like I once did. I haven't found a good replacement yet. [quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 3h13
I was thinking about what I said afterwards and you're right, there is an element of music discovery in browsing the site and playing tracks that look like they might be interesting. An obstacle in the way of that is discouraging, true.

That said, an easier way of hearing said tracks and maybe others is through the radios on the page - similar artist, tags. Also, there's the benefit of all this new, unusual, hard to find, obscure music all here in the one place. If users are still too lazy to listen when so much has already been done for them, handing everything to them on a plate, then I don't know what to say.

I think it's good to remember there a two main types of users here - us lot, hardcore(!), we're not going anywhere and we're really into exploring the site and take pride in what we find. Then there are those who are happy with what they like (pop, rock, whatever) and are disinclined to step out of their comfort zones. You'd never reach them anyway.

I'm not saying taking away the music players can be excused in any way. It's downright awful. But don't give up on people actually interested in finding new music. Their motivation wouldn't allow them to give up at such a mere hurdle as no player. Hasn't stopped me anyway.

PS: come and join Central Point: where artists and listeners meet. Let's get you some more listeners. :)

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: I was thinking about what I said afterwards and you're right, there is an element of music discovery in browsing the site and playing tracks that look like they might be interesting. An obstacle in the way of that is discouraging, true. That said, an easier way of hearing said tracks and maybe others is through the radios on the page - similar artist, tags. Also, there's the benefit of all this new, unusual, hard to find, obscure music all here in the one place. If users are still too lazy to listen when so much has already been done for them, handing everything to them on a plate, then I don't know what to say. I think it's good to remember there a two main types of users here - us lot, hardcore(!), we're not going anywhere and we're really into exploring the site and take pride in what we find. Then there are those who are happy with what they like (pop, rock, whatever) and are disinclined to step out of their comfort zones. You'd never reach them anyway. I'm not saying taking away the music players can be excused in any way. It's downright awful. But don't give up on people actually interested in finding new music. Their motivation wouldn't allow them to give up at such a mere hurdle as no player. Hasn't stopped me anyway. PS: come and join [group]Central Point: where artists and listeners meet[/group]. Let's get you some more listeners. :)[quote]

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- JustSomeOldJoe disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 3h50
What you described, Babs, is "passive" discovery, and it's a great way to discover new artists. Yet, "active" discovery -- the process of compiling a list of artists, through various means, and manually sampling -- is just as, if not more, important in terms of discovery. In fact, I'd say a passive mode of discovery is great once you've established a fairly decent lib, but it's way less efficient in terms of building up a lib from scratch.

I'm not pissin' and moanin' about the lack of a player (or other features that have been removed rendering active discovery "more" difficult). It makes the site less usable to me -- much less -- but I understand the move. The amount of vitriol being shot LFM's way misses the point to a large degree... you can argue the moves as mistep, but it's pretty obvious the LFM folks are scrambling in an effort to survive!

What worries me more than any player removal is what the cumulative moves say about the industry, and active online discovery, organization, and playback in general. Likewise, what it says about my or anyone else's opportunity to find and sample less known artists, specifically on a global scale. Surely, the fact that you've got a 300 lb. gorilla out there with implicit label backing must worry some folks... definitely bothers me.

[quote][b][user]JustSomeOldJoe[/user][/b] disse: What you described, Babs, is "passive" discovery, and it's a great way to discover new artists. Yet, "active" discovery -- the process of compiling a list of artists, through various means, and manually sampling -- is just as, if not more, important in terms of discovery. In fact, I'd say a passive mode of discovery is great once you've established a fairly decent lib, but it's way less efficient in terms of building up a lib from scratch. I'm not pissin' and moanin' about the lack of a player (or other features that have been removed rendering active discovery "more" difficult). It makes the site less usable to me -- much less -- but I understand the move. The amount of vitriol being shot LFM's way misses the point to a large degree... you can argue the moves as mistep, but it's pretty obvious the LFM folks are scrambling in an effort to survive! What worries me more than any player removal is what the cumulative moves say about the industry, and active online discovery, organization, and playback in general. Likewise, what it says about my or anyone else's opportunity to find and sample less known artists, specifically on a global scale. Surely, the fact that you've got a 300 lb. gorilla out there with implicit label backing must worry some folks... definitely bothers me. [quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 4h19
And me. I worry we might lose sites like Last.fm and have to go back to the dark ages - music shows on TV designed for the under-12s, limited playlist 'normal' radios, and whatever the labels deign to tell us about in press releases. It would be crap. No, scratch that, it would encourage piracy. But as far as I can tell, the music industry are very slowly coming round to the idea of streaming and sites like Last.fm. There's no point making us go to record shops when all they've got are DVDs.

It's hard for me to imagine building a library from scratch. I've had my own CD (and cassette) collection for years and years. Once I'd played my stash, I had a nice, fat library here, which drew me into the site.

I suppose a new user with no CDs relying on Last.fm for music would start with global tag radios, as well as add new artists, and take it from there. The fastest way to build a library is to listen to global radios. I'd begin there, then look at my Last.fm recommended page, as well as my newly created neighbour page and listen to those radios. Once I had a feel for the site, I'd probably start to focus my searches. That would be a good point to take a look at other people's personal tag radios, because they've done all the hard work for you. I did that, way back when. As for albums, it's easy to scrobble them from other sources (where available).

Getting to know the site, discovering just how much control we do have over building custom radios, is something worth learning and something I never tire of telling people about. To my knowledge, I don't think there's anything else like it out there. And yes, I have Spotify.

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: And me. I worry we might lose sites like Last.fm and have to go back to the dark ages - music shows on TV designed for the under-12s, limited playlist 'normal' radios, and whatever the labels deign to tell us about in press releases. It would be crap. No, scratch that, it would encourage piracy. But as far as I can tell, the music industry are very slowly coming round to the idea of streaming and sites like Last.fm. There's no point making us go to record shops when all they've got are DVDs. It's hard for me to imagine building a library from scratch. I've had my own CD (and cassette) collection for years and years. Once I'd played my stash, I had a nice, fat library here, which drew me into the site. I suppose a new user with no CDs relying on Last.fm for music would start with global tag radios, as well as add new artists, and take it from there. The fastest way to build a library is to listen to global radios. I'd begin there, then look at my Last.fm recommended page, as well as my newly created neighbour page and listen to those radios. Once I had a feel for the site, I'd probably start to focus my searches. That would be a good point to take a look at other people's personal tag radios, because they've done all the hard work for you. I did that, way back when. As for albums, it's easy to scrobble them from other sources (where available). Getting to know the site, discovering just how much control we do have over building custom radios, is something worth learning and something I never tire of telling people about. To my knowledge, I don't think there's anything else like it out there. And yes, I have Spotify.[quote]

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- JustSomeOldJoe disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 4h51
I've got a personal lib of about 10,000 tracks of primarily jazz, fusion, classical, reggae, rock... stuff I've had for years and all purchased (I know... what a concept). Probably grow to around 15k once I get around to completing the vinyl digitization. I have no intention of scrobbling that stuff and migrating it over to LFM. Instead, I've used LFM specifically for sampling/compiling Electronic genre artists/tracks... a niche that's pretty thin in my own library.

For me, both the player and other features that support an active mode of discovery have been critical. Being able to recurse a list of "similar" artists, or list tracks related to a radio station (be it tag or artist based), compile a list of artists and sample each -- quickly -- "was" an amazing feature. Not saying passive discovery is any less valid, but people operate differently. I like to actively sample; other people like being passively spoon fed. We all have diff goals and diff methods of operation. Listening to global tag radios "is" a great way to get started. Once you've done so and have compiled a focused list of artists that you like, sampling only those artists and recursing through "similar" artists is the next step for many.

As far as the record industry goes... I'm a cynic. Ya, they're "coming around"... as you said, they have no choice (listened to FM radio just the other day... can't believe how many stations vanished into thin air... put a smile on my face... so much suck gone in such a short time!!!). Yet, when I look at Spotify and I see the big 4 signed on, I "do" get worried. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em... then employ unfair biz practices, corner the market, and destroy 'em. The software landscape could'a been a whole lot different w/out Microsoft dominating the industry for 20 some odd years.

[quote][b][user]JustSomeOldJoe[/user][/b] disse: I've got a personal lib of about 10,000 tracks of primarily jazz, fusion, classical, reggae, rock... stuff I've had for years and all purchased (I know... what a concept). Probably grow to around 15k once I get around to completing the vinyl digitization. I have no intention of scrobbling that stuff and migrating it over to LFM. Instead, I've used LFM specifically for sampling/compiling Electronic genre artists/tracks... a niche that's pretty thin in my own library. For me, both the player and other features that support an active mode of discovery have been critical. Being able to recurse a list of "similar" artists, or list tracks related to a radio station (be it tag or artist based), compile a list of artists and sample each -- quickly -- "was" an amazing feature. Not saying passive discovery is any less valid, but people operate differently. I like to actively sample; other people like being passively spoon fed. We all have diff goals and diff methods of operation. Listening to global tag radios "is" a great way to get started. Once you've done so and have compiled a focused list of artists that you like, sampling only those artists and recursing through "similar" artists is the next step for many. As far as the record industry goes... I'm a cynic. Ya, they're "coming around"... as you said, they have no choice (listened to FM radio just the other day... can't believe how many stations vanished into thin air... put a smile on my face... so much suck gone in such a short time!!!). Yet, when I look at Spotify and I see the big 4 signed on, I "do" get worried. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em... then employ unfair biz practices, corner the market, and destroy 'em. The software landscape could'a been a whole lot different w/out Microsoft dominating the industry for 20 some odd years.[quote]

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- mvordeme disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 9h02
Looks like I am the spoon fed type ;-). I listen to similar artists and group radios a lot, add good new music I come across to my favourites, explore the artist pages when I am on-line and maybe listen to their similar artists radio next time. When I find that I like a lot of tracks of a specific album, I add it to my amazon wishlist. This type of exploration probably only works for some time until you have discovered all the obvious stuff.

[quote][b][user]mvordeme[/user][/b] disse: Looks like I am the spoon fed type ;-). I listen to similar artists and group radios a lot, add good new music I come across to my favourites, explore the artist pages when I am on-line and maybe listen to their similar artists radio next time. When I find that I like a lot of tracks of a specific album, I add it to my amazon wishlist. This type of exploration probably only works for some time until you have discovered all the obvious stuff.[quote]

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- musicgodlything disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 14h37
mvordeme said:
Looks like I am the spoon fed type ;-).I see it more as a flowing stream of music, and dipping your toes (ears) into it.

I listen to similar artists and group radios a lot, add good new music I come across to my favourites, explore the artist pages when I am on-line and maybe listen to their similar artists radio next time. What I liked doing, pre August 22nd, was listening to other people's stations, especially those with low 'compatibility'. If after a few tracks I find it's definitely not for me, I'll change the station. I REALLY miss the day when 10 random people that were 'listening now' would be displayed on the radio page.

When I find that I like a lot of tracks of a specific album, I add it to my amazon wishlist. I've almost forgotten what albums are.

This type of exploration probably only works for some time until you have discovered all the obvious stuff. How can that ever be possible? The way artists are connected here, it can become an infinite chain where one artist can be similar to another, then that second artist is similar to another that's not similar to the artist that you started with.

If any listener here in Lastfmland uses any radio, other than 'play my library' (yuck!), they are involved in some degree of active discovery.

[quote][b][user]musicgodlything[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]mvordeme[/user][/b] said: Looks like I am the spoon fed type ;-).[/quote]I see it more as a flowing stream of music, and dipping your toes (ears) into it. [quote] I listen to similar artists and group radios a lot, add good new music I come across to my favourites, explore the artist pages when I am on-line and maybe listen to their similar artists radio next time.[/quote] What I liked doing, pre August 22nd, was listening to other people's stations, especially those with low 'compatibility'. If after a few tracks I find it's definitely not for me, I'll change the station. I REALLY miss the day when 10 random people that were 'listening now' would be displayed on the radio page. [quote]When I find that I like a lot of tracks of a specific album, I add it to my amazon wishlist.[/quote] I've almost forgotten what albums are. [quote]This type of exploration probably only works for some time until you have discovered all the obvious stuff.[/quote] How can that ever be possible? The way artists are connected here, it can become an infinite chain where one artist can be similar to another, then that second artist is similar to another that's not similar to the artist that you started with. If any listener here in Lastfmland uses any radio, other than 'play my library' (yuck!), they are involved in some degree of active discovery.[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 14h49
JustSomeOldJoe said:
As far as the record industry goes... I'm a cynic. Ya, they're "coming around"... as you said, they have no choice (listened to FM radio just the other day... can't believe how many stations vanished into thin air... put a smile on my face... so much suck gone in such a short time!!!). Yet, when I look at Spotify and I see the big 4 signed on, I "do" get worried. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em... then employ unfair biz practices, corner the market, and destroy 'em. The software landscape could'a been a whole lot different w/out Microsoft dominating the industry for 20 some odd years.Nah. We killed the crappy FM radios. We forced the music industry online. We made them hand over their music for next to nothing / free. I can't see that we'll suddenly become the victims at any point. As I see it, we're in the driving seat, not the Big Four.

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]JustSomeOldJoe[/user][/b] said: As far as the record industry goes... I'm a cynic. Ya, they're "coming around"... as you said, they have no choice (listened to FM radio just the other day... can't believe how many stations vanished into thin air... put a smile on my face... so much suck gone in such a short time!!!). Yet, when I look at Spotify and I see the big 4 signed on, I "do" get worried. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em... then employ unfair biz practices, corner the market, and destroy 'em. The software landscape could'a been a whole lot different w/out Microsoft dominating the industry for 20 some odd years.[/quote]Nah. We killed the crappy FM radios. We forced the music industry online. We [i]made[/i] them hand over their music for next to nothing / free. I can't see that we'll suddenly become the victims at any point. As I see it, we're in the driving seat, not the Big Four. [quote]

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- musicgodlything disse...
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- Jun 9 2009, 15h05
Babs_05 said:
Nah. We killed the crappy FM radios. It's about time. Good riddance.

[quote][b][user]musicgodlything[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] said: Nah. We killed the crappy FM radios. [/quote] It's about time. Good riddance.[quote]

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- Imariabe disse...
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- Jun 10 2009, 4h15
Nah. We killed the crappy FM radios. We forced the music industry online. We made them hand over their music for next to nothing / free. I can't see that we'll suddenly become the victims at any point. As I see it, we're in the driving seat, not the Big Four.

No, the radio stations hurt themselves by not playing a variety of music. People turned to the internet to find what they couldn't get from radio.

[quote][b][user]Imariabe[/user][/b] disse: [quote]Nah. We killed the crappy FM radios. We forced the music industry online. We made them hand over their music for next to nothing / free. I can't see that we'll suddenly become the victims at any point. As I see it, we're in the driving seat, not the Big Four.[/quote] No, the radio stations hurt themselves by not playing a variety of music. People turned to the internet to find what they couldn't get from radio. [quote]

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- mvordeme disse...
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- Jun 10 2009, 9h04
musicgodlything said:
I've almost forgotten what albums are.In classical or rock music, albums are often essential because the tracks reference each other. Buying "Greatest Hits" CDs is for Philistines. ;-)

musicgodlything said:
How can that ever be possible? The way artists are connected here, it can become an infinite chain where one artist can be similar to another, then that second artist is similar to another that's not similar to the artist that you started with.It appears to me that the similar artists radios I have been listening to lately are pretty similar (ha ha). They usually only differ in the percentage of music I don't like.

I must say that I usually listen to music while doing other things, so I cannot cope with a station that plays more than the odd song I don't like. If I would listen more actively, I could probably discover new interesting artists a lot quicker.

[quote][b][user]mvordeme[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]musicgodlything[/user][/b] said: I've almost forgotten what albums are.[/quote]In classical or rock music, albums are often essential because the tracks reference each other. Buying "Greatest Hits" CDs is for Philistines. ;-) [quote][b][user]musicgodlything[/user][/b] said: How can that ever be possible? The way artists are connected here, it can become an infinite chain where one artist can be similar to another, then that second artist is similar to another that's not similar to the artist that you started with.[/quote]It appears to me that the similar artists radios I have been listening to lately are pretty similar (ha ha). They usually only differ in the percentage of music I don't like. I must say that I usually listen to music while doing other things, so I cannot cope with a station that plays more than the odd song I don't like. If I would listen more actively, I could probably discover new interesting artists a lot quicker.[quote]

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- seeker5528 disse...
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- Jun 10 2009, 11h20
I must say that I usually listen to music while doing other things, so I cannot cope with a station that plays more than the odd song I don't like. If I would listen more actively, I could probably discover new interesting artists a lot quicker.

If you ban stuff and purge it from your library if it played long enough to make it in, that does help.

If you are listening to the sounds like radio stuff and jumping from one artist to another, that is one situation where you are more likely to hear stuff you might not like, in particular if it is an artist that doesn't have a lot of listeners on Last FM.

Early on I think I had to ban every Slayer track Last FM has on their system before it stopped playing them.

Mostly Last FM plays me stuff I like now.

For me it probably also helps that I like a wide variety of stuff.

The recommended radio is a bit of a double edged sword. On the one hand it's more likely to play stuff you like since it adapts to your more recent listening habits, on the other hand the variety can be lacking if you listen to a bunch of the same type of stuff all at once, so if you are looking to extend your range into stuff you don't normally listen to it can take a while.

If you look at how the stuff is tagged for an artist or track you like and visit the tag pages most of them will have a list of tracks you can download electroclash for example has 7 pages of stuff, and a list of related tags too. You can download that stuff and play it locally, scrobbling the plays to help tune Last FM more toward that style.

If you want variety the group radios for the music players can give you that, Amarok Users for example.

Later, Seeker

My short and long tail are:

[quote][b][user]seeker5528[/user][/b] disse: [quote]I must say that I usually listen to music while doing other things, so I cannot cope with a station that plays more than the odd song I don't like. If I would listen more actively, I could probably discover new interesting artists a lot quicker.[/quote] If you ban stuff and purge it from your library if it played long enough to make it in, that does help. If you are listening to the sounds like radio stuff and jumping from one artist to another, that is one situation where you are more likely to hear stuff you might not like, in particular if it is an artist that doesn't have a lot of listeners on Last FM. Early on I think I had to ban every Slayer track Last FM has on their system before it stopped playing them. Mostly Last FM plays me stuff I like now. For me it probably also helps that I like a wide variety of stuff. The recommended radio is a bit of a double edged sword. On the one hand it's more likely to play stuff you like since it adapts to your more recent listening habits, on the other hand the variety can be lacking if you listen to a bunch of the same type of stuff all at once, so if you are looking to extend your range into stuff you don't normally listen to it can take a while. If you look at how the stuff is tagged for an artist or track you like and visit the tag pages most of them will have a list of tracks you can download [tag]electroclash[/tag] for example has 7 pages of stuff, and a list of related tags too. You can download that stuff and play it locally, scrobbling the plays to help tune Last FM more toward that style. If you want variety the group radios for the music players can give you that, [url=http://www.last.fm/group/Amarok+Users]Amarok Users[/url] for example. Later, Seeker[quote]

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- musicgodlything disse...
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- Jun 10 2009, 13h35
mvordeme said: In classical or rock music, albums are often essential because the tracks reference each other. Buying "Greatest Hits" CDs is for Philistines. ;-) True that. Tull's Minstrel in the Gallery is a great example of that.

My listening habits changed drastically with the advent of the iPod and its shuffle feature, and last.fm's easy access to a PLETHORA of artists.

It appears to me that the similar artists radios I have been listening to lately are pretty similar (ha ha). They usually only differ in the percentage of music I don't like.
What I like to do - go to an artist's page, click on one of their top listeners and listen to their loved tracks. Cut out the middleman of the logarithm.
I must say that I usually listen to music while doing other things, so I cannot cope with a station that plays more than the odd song I don't like. If I would listen more actively, I could probably discover new interesting artists a lot quicker Yeah, that sucks.

Again, I have had consistently good results when listening to people's loved tracks.

Usually, I love the odd songs. (ha ha)

[quote][b][user]musicgodlything[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]mvordeme[/user][/b] said: In classical or rock music, albums are often essential because the tracks reference each other. Buying "Greatest Hits" CDs is for Philistines. ;-)[/quote] True that. Tull's Minstrel in the Gallery is a great example of that. My listening habits changed drastically with the advent of the iPod and its shuffle feature, and last.fm's easy access to a PLETHORA of artists. [quote]It appears to me that the similar artists radios I have been listening to lately are pretty similar (ha ha). They usually only differ in the percentage of music I don't like. [/quote] What I like to do - go to an artist's page, click on one of their top listeners and listen to their loved tracks. Cut out the middleman of the logarithm. [quote]I must say that I usually listen to music while doing other things, so I cannot cope with a station that plays more than the odd song I don't like. If I would listen more actively, I could probably discover new interesting artists a lot quicker[/quote] Yeah, that sucks. Again, I have had consistently good results when listening to people's loved tracks. Usually, I love the odd songs. (ha ha)[quote]

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- dianashamilton disse...
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- Jun 10 2009, 18h11
BenV said:
As a last.fm user of 4 years this decision to remove the player from artist pages has really crippled the user experience for me. When I look up a recommended artist, the first thing I do is listen to the song previews to get a feel for the band. If I dig it then there's a good chance I'll buy a few tracks from that artist, otherwise I'll move on.

One thing I don't get in the context of this type of gripe: There is *still* a list of tracks with autostart arrows next to them on every streamable-artist page, yes? It's a short scrolldown away. I could see that taking away the black rectangle might inhibit newbies from test-listening. I'm surprised that it would inhibit an experienced user, who knows what the arrows do, from listening to assorted tracks.

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[quote][b][user]dianashamilton[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]BenV[/user][/b] said: As a last.fm user of 4 years this decision to remove the player from artist pages has really crippled the user experience for me. When I look up a recommended artist, the first thing I do is listen to the song previews to get a feel for the band. If I dig it then there's a good chance I'll buy a few tracks from that artist, otherwise I'll move on.[/quote] One thing I don't get in the context of this type of gripe: There is *still* a list of tracks with autostart arrows next to them on every streamable-artist page, yes? It's a short scrolldown away. I could see that taking away the black rectangle might inhibit newbies from test-listening. I'm surprised that it would inhibit an experienced user, who knows what the arrows do, from listening to assorted tracks.[quote]

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- mvordeme disse...
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- Jun 10 2009, 19h48
Plus if you use the right browser, you just have to middle-click those arrows to start the playback in another tab (with the proper add-on installed, you can even make it load in the background), so you don't have to navigate back for the next song.

But I think the list is not still there. If I have followed the postings in this discussion attentively, the list was gone and has now been reinstated.

[quote][b][user]mvordeme[/user][/b] disse: Plus if you use the right browser, you just have to middle-click those arrows to start the playback in another tab (with the proper add-on installed, you can even make it load in the background), so you don't have to navigate back for the next song. But I think the list is not [i]still[/i] there. If I have followed the postings in this discussion attentively, the list was gone and has now been reinstated.[quote]

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- mvordeme disse...
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- Jun 11 2009, 9h23
mvordeme said:
But I think the list is not still there. If I have followed the postings in this discussion attentively, the list was gone and has now been reinstated.Sorry, I got this mixed up. That was the list of featured tracks.

[quote][b][user]mvordeme[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]mvordeme[/user][/b] said: But I think the list is not [i]still[/i] there. If I have followed the postings in this discussion attentively, the list was gone and has now been reinstated.[/quote]Sorry, I got this mixed up. That was the list of featured tracks.[quote]

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- ZimmeM03 disse...
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- Jun 11 2009, 18h28
I hate this new update

[quote][b][user]ZimmeM03[/user][/b] disse: I hate this new update[quote]

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- screen_name11 disse...
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- Jun 11 2009, 19h28
wow

This idea officially sucks!

[quote][b][user]screen_name11[/user][/b] disse: This idea officially sucks![quote]

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- mjreynolds disse...
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- Jun 13 2009, 10h19
What's funny is that after all the recent nerfing of features, and rolling out crappy ones, removal of good ones, and discriminating based on country, the founders bail out.

[quote][b][user]mjreynolds[/user][/b] disse: What's funny is that after all the recent nerfing of features, and rolling out crappy ones, removal of good ones, and discriminating based on country, the founders bail out.[quote]

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- jotakoi disse...
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- Jun 13 2009, 10h55
mjreynolds said:
What's funny is that after all the recent nerfing of features, and rolling out crappy ones, removal of good ones, and discriminating based on country, the founders bail out.And there's more:Last.fm Founders Quit, CBS’ Goodman GM For Now; But Why?

"The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off."
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[quote][b][user]jotakoi[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]mjreynolds[/user][/b] said: What's funny is that after all the recent nerfing of features, and rolling out crappy ones, removal of good ones, and discriminating based on country, the founders bail out.[/quote]And there's more:[quote][url=http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-last-fm-founders-quit-but-why-and-whos-in-charge-now/]Last.fm Founders Quit, CBS’ Goodman GM For Now; But Why?[/url][/quote][quote]

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- pecusita disse...
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- Jun 13 2009, 17h00
jotakoi said:
And there's more:Last.fm Founders Quit, CBS’ Goodman GM For Now; But Why?
Something in the back of my head tells me things will only get worse now.

I'm in denial because I like this site a lot. :(

http://blip.fm/pecusita

[quote][b][user]pecusita[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]jotakoi[/user][/b] said: And there's more:[quote][url=http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-last-fm-founders-quit-but-why-and-whos-in-charge-now/]Last.fm Founders Quit, CBS’ Goodman GM For Now; But Why?[/url][/quote][/quote] Something in the back of my head tells me things will only get worse now. I'm in denial because I like this site a lot. :([quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Jun 13 2009, 18h42
Well, we don't know, do we. I wouldn't worry. All the articles on this topic are pure speculation. Writers need readers... ! : )

That said, it isn't realistic to think of Last.fm as a start-up anymore. It's lovely some of the ideals are still in place, I really like that, I hope they're able to hold on to them as they go through yet another transition.

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: Well, we don't know, do we. I wouldn't worry. All the articles on this topic are pure speculation. Writers need readers... ! : ) That said, it isn't realistic to think of Last.fm as a start-up anymore. It's lovely some of the ideals are still in place, I really like that, I hope they're able to hold on to them as they go through yet another transition. [quote]

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- BPenguin disse...
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- Jun 15 2009, 6h56
Two things.

1. Not only is it important to be able to browse through songs to discover new artists, but also to decide it you want to buy a particular album. I know, I'm one of those few who still likes to buy albums...

2. Also, one of the most important thing is not to forget that LFM is providing a service also for the artist. And for the for many artists it's often about the experience of the album as a whole. If you as an artist have made the desicion to share all of your songs, then you also want to share the experience of your albums.

[quote][b][user]BPenguin[/user][/b] disse: Two things. 1. Not only is it important to be able to browse through songs to discover new artists, but also to decide it you want to buy a particular album. I know, I'm one of those few who still likes to buy albums... 2. Also, one of the most important thing is not to forget that LFM is providing a service also for the artist. And for the for many artists it's often about the experience of the album as a whole. If you as an artist have made the desicion to share all of your songs, then you also want to share [i]the experience of your albums[/i].[quote]

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