May 20 Site Update

Hoxerijo said:
I've seen a moderator which is proudly a crypto-fascist.Babs_05 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-fascismWhich means that somebody who lets on about being a crypto-fascist is either pulling your leg or really stupid.

This thread is about May 20 not April 20. Please stop that! There's nothing to say against some cynical analysis from time to time, but this goes too far.

Yes, why bother people with real facts about life? Let's speak about boobs and football championship. Let's get teenagers for life.

Anyway, I don't want to disturb the sleepers anymore. Go on with pathetic request to CBS, and excuse me if I dare to think in the Moron Age.

mvordeme said:
There are enough people queuing at my door on Saturdays who want to tell me the truth. They are the only people I actually swear out loud to. I am perfectly capable of thinking for myself. ;-)

Babs_05 said:
ahem. one of my pet peeves... ; )

In the past, when we went to the Groups page, (I can't remember what it said up top) first we saw a page half showing people listening now, and below that, the most recent journals. From there, we could go on to the Groups page. There, we could see sponsored groups and new groups (like now), but we also saw groups now active. That got me active in a lot of groups.

The absence of that feature has decimated groups, imo.

The other thing is the way groups are organised in our Profiles. We have fewer per page and there's no way to search. So groups are effectively out of bounds if you have more than a couple of pages' worth.
This really gets my goat. Not only the way groups are organized in our profiles, but also the way the friends list is organized too.

For the library, we can use "jump to", recently added, or an alphabetical listing to navigate. What about a feature that lets us choose the number to be displayed per page? That seems to be the norm on the internets, no?

What about a choice between an icon view and a list view? For the friends list, this list view is available through the client, but it'd be great to have it through the profile too.

While I'm on it, I really miss the "now listening" that used to be on the listen, now radio, page that showed 10 random people that were active on the site. The vast majority of my musical discoveries came from checking out what those random people were listening to.

THIS IS STUPID, i want to listen to an artist music, this is a step backwards definately, instead of having all the songs conveniently placed in a player on the main page, why not separate them all so you have to go to a different page to listen to each song! you guys are geniuses!

dianashamilton said:
Back on actual topic, the promised improvement to free track display makes them nice and obvious on the artist pages, thanks!


Yes ok, looks good, but this is only a rotten compromise to the removed player on the artist and album pages! (in particular for people who are not interested in free tracks at all and i guess they will be the majority)

HodgeStar said:
Is it just me, or is the player on myspace artist pages down too for over a week now?Just you, I think. (it was working fine for me last night, anyway)

Installed NoScript per chance?

To the last.fm guys:
I think this move is bad. I posted about a month the same and I received a reply that the way ads revenue works is related to geography, but that approach works in the old media model (have you ever listened a Spanish ad in a German FM radio?). Nowadays, you can have this, if you know your users.
Due to your old ad revenue model, you decided to give the service free to three countries where the money is good, and the rest has to pay.
Now your brand is not popular in the rest of the world. Have you measured this? not being popular in the rest of the world? You will see it when you analyse the monthly growth rate and, of course, leave rate since your announcement. I guess you will never publish the figures...
What you do not understand is social networks are more emotional and viral and they do not care about your cost structure or what ever reason you may have to stop providing a service for free. This is bad PR in social networking.

I guess the future would be like this, if you are not able to get good numbers by every end of year. If I was the owner:
- Not able to get a decent earnings ratio.
- Not popular, not cool
- No user base growth.
- Expensive office location.
- Staff in the expensive location (30 or more * avg. salary in London)
Maths and conclusion?

If you are able to succeed or not, for me is the same. I live in Germany, but I do not agree with you and I will cancel my account soon. Your case might be used in future for education: how not to ruin a relationship with your users in a social network environment.

I don't get half the complaints here.

Personally I couldn't care less about the player on artist pages, I understand more about not having it on album pages being an inconvenience for those who actually used the feature to listen to entire albums.

I may be wrong but I was under the impression that for the big label stuff, at least in the US, that it cost more to stream on-demand stuff than the radio stuff and to be considered radio there had to be X number of tracks from X different artists. Either way I never viewed these players that play a list to be radio, I viewed them as on-demand.

Usually if I am listening to the radio, it is recommended radio or neighborhood radio the larger percent of the time, with a smaller amount of time listening to tag radio, group radio or artist radio. The whole time these players that play from a list have been on the artist and album pages, I've probably used them less than a half a dozen times. Usually I will go to an album page and listen to individual tracks. If there are no albums for an artist I will look through the full listing of tracks, usually if there are tracks with full plays they will be among the tracks with higher play counts, so listed earlier in the listings.

Much of the time that I am connected to Last FM, I'm not even streaming music, I'm listening to it locally, checking my tags, looking at recent activity on my favorite tags, looking at other peoples libraries who use the the same tags, etc...

Maybe it's just the way I use the site, I don't understand the view that having the player on artist and album pages affects discovery.

For the artists that want to get there stuff in the hands of the listeners the trade of for not having the player is better visibility of freely downloadable tracks. So I don't get the whole 'This is going to kill free music on Last FM' argument either.

My contribution to the list of groups dedicated to creating tags.....

Genre-free tags!

Later, Seeker

Babs_05 said:
...I would want the tag clouds back where they used to be, where the players just were. Go on, Last.fm. Pleeeeeease.YES!!!1!11 and since someone already has admitted that the player in its current form is kinda pointless when it's supposed to play only one song, tag clouds on track pages too please. Put the videos back where they belong - the third row.