Scrobble an internet radio station?

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- guigomora disse...
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- Nov 20 2007, 5h27
I read first 4 posts... but i want to say, why scrobbling internet radio its not available? if you answer again with the same as in the first posts, its not the end-user who decides if what hes listening to its scrobbled or not?

and using the last.fm radio its scrobbled... and we cant control what id3 tags contains, or what we're going to listen?

its true that you put something related about what u want to listen... and the same occurrs with i-net radios, if we put it its because we want to listen what is played there, and if its not of our taste we have 2 choices: Turn off Scrobbling, or Play our music or another i-net radio

[quote][b][user]guigomora[/user][/b] disse: I read first 4 posts... but i want to say, why scrobbling internet radio its not available? if you answer again with the same as in the first posts, its not the end-user who decides if what hes listening to its scrobbled or not? and using the last.fm radio its scrobbled... and we cant control what id3 tags contains, or what we're going to listen? its true that you put something related about what u want to listen... and the same occurrs with i-net radios, if we put it its because we want to listen what is played there, and if its not of our taste we have 2 choices: Turn off Scrobbling, or Play our music or another i-net radio[quote]

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- Babs_05 disse...
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- Nov 20 2007, 22h45
I think it would be nice of we could scrobble internet radio and I'm excited to hear Last.fm aren't opposed to the idea.

I've only been here a couple of years but I've seen a lot of progress in that time. It's annoying you're constantly working on some project or other as the site seems to never be stable these days, but I'm encouraged. At the rate you're going, we might be scrobbling internet radio by this time next year!

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[quote][b][user]Babs_05[/user][/b] disse: I think it would be nice of we could scrobble internet radio and I'm excited to hear Last.fm aren't opposed to the idea. I've only been here a couple of years but I've seen a [b]lot[/b] of progress in that time. It's annoying you're constantly working on some project or other as the site seems to never be stable these days, but I'm encouraged. At the rate you're going, we might be scrobbling internet radio by this time next year! [quote]

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- nicht-jens disse...
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- Nov 23 2007, 12h45
Good to hear you are reconsidering the scrobbling of streams. There's a growing base of users who would prefer having the song length as a criteria of charts, so maybe a stream could at least be noted as such? (i.e. instead of all the titles listened to in the stream, having the stream as a title itself, much like it is in podcasts right now)
Keep up the good work!
edit: I just hope you're not simply opposed to scrobbling streams so you can push last.fm's stream. If you are afraid of negative effects, maybe just open the scrobbling option to subscribers?

[quote][b][user]nicht-jens[/user][/b] disse: Good to hear you are reconsidering the scrobbling of streams. There's a growing base of users who would prefer having the song length as a criteria of charts, so maybe a stream could [i]at least[/i] be noted as such? (i.e. instead of all the titles listened to in the stream, having the stream as a title itself, much like it is in podcasts right now) Keep up the good work! edit: I just hope you're not simply opposed to scrobbling streams so you can push last.fm's stream. If you are afraid of negative effects, maybe just open the scrobbling option to subscribers?[quote]

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- mattgcn disse...
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- Nov 24 2007, 5h18
There is one radio station that I listen to regularly, and most of the DJs are last.fm users. The only two DJs who would be unscrobblable are the one who has analog music devices hooked up to his computer or inline to broadcast, and the guy with video game music in it's original format, and I couldn't just turn it off.

A good way to start could be to have a mini-ballot box of sorts with radio stations- A moderator or staff member could listen to a couple of shows by a radio show or use some method to verify the tagging is good and consistant and then it could be added to a whitelist. Truly terribly tagged stations could be on a blacklist.

Maybe?

We are each a beautiful snowflake that will melt in hell.

[quote][b][user]mattgcn[/user][/b] disse: There is one radio station that I listen to regularly, and most of the DJs are last.fm users. The only two DJs who would be unscrobblable are the one who has analog music devices hooked up to his computer or inline to broadcast, and the guy with video game music in it's original format, and I couldn't just turn it off. A good way to start could be to have a mini-ballot box of sorts with radio stations- A moderator or staff member could listen to a couple of shows by a radio show or use some method to verify the tagging is good and consistant and then it could be added to a whitelist. Truly terribly tagged stations could be on a blacklist. Maybe?[quote]

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- Uzirox disse...
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- Nov 24 2007, 10h12
rstcyr said:

80% of my PC listening is to online stations, which at the moment will not show on "What I'm listening to". Not much of a point for me to use last.fm, then. Why force me to look elsewhere for competing social music sites?

I have to quote it. :)

[quote][b][user]Uzirox[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]rstcyr[/user][/b] said: 80% of my PC listening is to online stations, which at the moment will not show on "What I'm listening to". Not much of a point for me to use last.fm, then. Why force me to look elsewhere for competing social music sites? [/quote] I have to quote it. :) [quote]

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- juepucta disse...
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- Nov 25 2007, 10h08
guigomora said:
...its not the end-user who decides if what hes listening to its scrobbled or not?

No, thankfully.

-G.

[quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]guigomora[/user][/b] said: ...its not the end-user who decides if what hes listening to its scrobbled or not?[/quote] No, thankfully. -G.[quote]

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- eugrus disse...
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- Nov 25 2007, 13h11
When I listen to Internet-radio, it means I like its genre. So, it should be scrobbled!

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[quote][b][user]eugrus[/user][/b] disse: When I listen to Internet-radio, it means I like its genre. So, it should be scrobbled![quote]

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- guigomora disse...
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- Nov 26 2007, 0h53
juepucta said:
guigomora said:
...its not the end-user who decides if what hes listening to its scrobbled or not?

No, thankfully.

-G.

sorry, but it is... u select if what ur listening is scrobbled or not

[quote][b][user]guigomora[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]guigomora[/user][/b] said: ...its not the end-user who decides if what hes listening to its scrobbled or not?[/quote] No, thankfully. -G.[/quote] sorry, but it is... u select if what ur listening is scrobbled or not[quote]

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- juepucta disse...
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- Nov 26 2007, 3h44
No, that is the thing. And i have mentioned it before, for years, all over these boards.

For example, when people want to erase scrobbles from their profile.

This site keeps stats of the mp3s and CDs you listen to in your computer (and now some portable devices). If you listen it shows. If you don't want it to show, don't listen.

As for radio stations, until they provide realiable info for the fields that LastFM uses, better to not open that can of worms. Very few are realiable (Soma still makes mistakes for example).

-G.

PS: Your Richard Cheese tags are all wrong.

[quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] disse: No, that is the thing. And i have mentioned it before, for years, all over these boards. For example, when people want to erase scrobbles from their profile. This site keeps stats of the mp3s and CDs you listen to in your computer (and now some portable devices). If you listen it shows. If you don't want it to show, don't listen. As for radio stations, until they provide realiable info for the fields that LastFM uses, better to not open that can of worms. Very few are realiable (Soma still makes mistakes for example). -G. PS: Your Richard Cheese tags are all wrong.[quote]

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- r5a2k3 disse...
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- Nov 26 2007, 18h36
I've been using Last.FM for a lonngg time now and this is really my first post becasue this is really driving me nuts.

First off, I completely disagree with the "cannot trust internet radio stations having correct tags" argument. They pay royalties and are usually licensed (it's illegal to run one without a license) so they damn sure will have the correct tags, otherwise I believe they can get into a lot of trouble. Also, they need to have the correct tags for the listeners as well. If they don't well it's just poor professionalism on the radio's part. I've been listening to online radio stations for years and I've never come across an incorrect tag by a radio station yet...

Secondly, the users tags in terms of accuracy are the same if not less then then the online radio stations. Look in the database already, we have pages that inform us of common errors. I don't even really need to expand on how common incorrect tags occur.

Nateswart also brings a lot of good ideas to think about. Last.fm you should really really rethink about overturning this...

[quote][b][user]r5a2k3[/user][/b] disse: I've been using Last.FM for a lonngg time now and this is really my first post becasue this is really driving me nuts. First off, I completely disagree with the "cannot trust internet radio stations having correct tags" argument. They pay royalties and are usually licensed (it's illegal to run one without a license) so they damn sure will have the correct tags, otherwise I believe they can get into a lot of trouble. Also, they need to have the correct tags for the listeners as well. If they don't well it's just poor professionalism on the radio's part. I've been listening to online radio stations for years and I've never come across an incorrect tag by a radio station yet... Secondly, the users tags in terms of accuracy are the same if not less then then the online radio stations. Look in the database already, we have pages that inform us of common errors. I don't even really need to expand on how common incorrect tags occur. Nateswart also brings a lot of good ideas to think about. Last.fm you should really really rethink about overturning this... [quote]

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- eugrus disse...
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- Nov 27 2007, 21h46
shoutcast.com always provides correct information about the tracks

Could it be scrobbled than?

http://eugrus.pp.ru

[quote][b][user]eugrus[/user][/b] disse: shoutcast.com always provides correct information about the tracks Could it be scrobbled than?[quote]

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- Kerensky97 disse...
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- Nov 27 2007, 23h27
Who knows, maybe when the staff make it an option they may roll it out to specific trusted sites first.

All comments reflect the views of the poster and not of last.fm or it's management.

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[quote][b][user]Kerensky97[/user][/b] disse: Who knows, maybe when the staff make it an option they may roll it out to specific trusted sites first.[quote]

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- mattgcn disse...
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- Nov 27 2007, 23h59
Kerensky97 said:
Who knows, maybe when the staff make it an option they may roll it out to specific trusted sites first.

For Shoutcast, we can just send the "just played tracks" list of our stations, could we not?

We are each a beautiful snowflake that will melt in hell.

[quote][b][user]mattgcn[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]Kerensky97[/user][/b] said: Who knows, maybe when the staff make it an option they may roll it out to specific trusted sites first.[/quote] For Shoutcast, we can just send the [url=http://audible.illemonati.com:8000/played.html]"just played tracks"[/url] list of our stations, could we not?[quote]

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- purplicious06 disse...
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- Nov 28 2007, 18h37
I've never posted before, but was just looking for a way to scrobble my internet radio stations and am really disappointed to find out that I cannot. So just thought I'd add my voice in saying I urge Last.fm to reconsider.

[quote][b][user]purplicious06[/user][/b] disse: I've never posted before, but was just looking for a way to scrobble my internet radio stations and am really disappointed to find out that I cannot. So just thought I'd add my voice in saying I urge Last.fm to reconsider.[quote]

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- gadgetchannel disse...
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- Nov 28 2007, 19h33
r5a2k3 said:
First off, I completely disagree with the "cannot trust internet radio stations having correct tags" argument. They pay royalties and are usually licensed (it's illegal to run one without a license) so they damn sure will have the correct tags, otherwise I believe they can get into a lot of trouble.

There is often a difference between the tags used internally on the sound files played by the station (which would be used for royalties) and those in the metadata in the broadcast stream. Since the exact format of the stream metadata varies from station to station (e.g. station name prefixes, etc.) this makes it difficult to get accurate artist and track names for scrobbling.

[quote][b][user]gadgetchannel[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]r5a2k3[/user][/b] said: First off, I completely disagree with the "cannot trust internet radio stations having correct tags" argument. They pay royalties and are usually licensed (it's illegal to run one without a license) so they damn sure will have the correct tags, otherwise I believe they can get into a lot of trouble.[/quote] There is often a difference between the tags used internally on the sound files played by the station (which would be used for royalties) and those in the metadata in the broadcast stream. Since the exact format of the stream metadata varies from station to station (e.g. station name prefixes, etc.) this makes it difficult to get accurate artist and track names for scrobbling. [quote]

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- juepucta disse...
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- Nov 28 2007, 20h43
Are people aware that LastFM IS a radio station itself?

Can you now kinda see why things are the way they are?

-G.

[quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] disse: Are people aware that LastFM IS a radio station itself? Can you now kinda see why things are the way they are? -G.[quote]

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- Nov 29 2007, 12h09
juepucta said:
Are people aware that LastFM IS a radio station itself?

Can you now kinda see why things are the way they are?

-G.

you are damn right, man. i guess it's so.

Kerensky97 said:
<..> it's a buisness not a democracy <..>

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] said: Are people aware that LastFM IS a radio station itself? Can you now kinda see why things are the way they are? -G.[/quote] you are damn right, man. i guess it's so. [quote][b][user]kerensky97[/user][/b] said: <..> it's a buisness not a democracy <..> [/quote][quote]

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- BFARadio disse...
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- Dez 1 2007, 13h13
XuIvIuK said:
juepucta said:
Are people aware that LastFM IS a radio station itself?

Can you now kinda see why things are the way they are?

-G.

you are damn right, man. i guess it's so.

Kerensky97 said:
<..> it's a buisness not a democracy <..>

I disagree. While last.fm is a good service, it's not a radio station when you think of Internet Radio Stations run by people (and I'm not referring to the big names) who give their time, money and resources to create great radio stations with varied themes. People pay server provider costs for their Internet Radio Streams, use their home computers to stream to these servers, which could put a strain on family and finances. last.fm assembles your favorite kinds of music and plays them back with the user interface (that's by subscription only I believe), there's nobody behind a mic actually announcing music. Scroobling the various Internet Radio Stations is a nice daydream but I don't see how it's possible. As it is, the last.fm application reads the ID3 information contained in each track and decides whether or not to scrooble it depending on track length. Plus if the track has "Various" in the ID3 artist field, the track will not show up in a 'recently played' list. last.fm can't scrooble a Internet Radio Station because they can not read the ID3 information that way. Personally, I like last.fm the way it is because it offers services that I find useful like the different charts of Top Artists, Top Tracks etc. Please keep last.fm the way it is.

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[quote][b][user]BFARadio[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]XuIvIuK[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] said: Are people aware that LastFM IS a radio station itself? Can you now kinda see why things are the way they are? -G.[/quote] you are damn right, man. i guess it's so. [quote][b][user]kerensky97[/user][/b] said: <..> it's a buisness not a democracy <..> [/quote][/quote] I disagree. While last.fm is a good service, it's not a radio station when you think of Internet Radio Stations run by people (and I'm not referring to the big names) who give their time, money and resources to create great radio stations with varied themes. People pay server provider costs for their Internet Radio Streams, use their home computers to stream to these servers, which could put a strain on family and finances. last.fm assembles your favorite kinds of music and plays them back with the user interface (that's by subscription only I believe), there's nobody behind a mic actually announcing music. Scroobling the various Internet Radio Stations is a nice daydream but I don't see how it's possible. As it is, the last.fm application reads the ID3 information contained in each track and decides whether or not to scrooble it depending on track length. Plus if the track has "Various" in the ID3 artist field, the track will not show up in a 'recently played' list. last.fm can't scrooble a Internet Radio Station because they can not read the ID3 information that way. Personally, I like last.fm the way it is because it offers services that I find useful like the different charts of Top Artists, Top Tracks etc. Please keep last.fm the way it is.[quote]

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- guigomora disse...
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- Dez 6 2007, 22h20
juepucta said:
PS: Your Richard Cheese tags are all wrong.
do u want that i tag'em the way u want to tag or the way i tag?

and about that last.fm is a radio service, its ok but not right, because many (a lot) of artist has just uploaded 30 secs of a track and that has no sense to listen

and about ur comment that "if you listen it shows. If you don't want it to show, don't listen"
i just dont agree that, because for example someone sends u a song (well tagged) and u dont know if u will like it, but u listen to it, so meanwhile u are listen that song just turn off scrobbling, thats the reason for that feature

[quote][b][user]guigomora[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] said: PS: Your Richard Cheese tags are all wrong.[/quote] do u want that i tag'em the way u want to tag or the way i tag? and about that last.fm is a radio service, its ok but not right, because many (a lot) of artist has just uploaded 30 secs of a track and that has no sense to listen and about ur comment that "if you listen it shows. If you don't want it to show, don't listen" i just dont agree that, because for example someone sends u a song (well tagged) and u dont know if u will like it, but u listen to it, so meanwhile u are listen that song just turn off scrobbling, thats the reason for that feature[quote]

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- juepucta disse...
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- Dez 7 2007, 5h34
No, but it shows precisely why we don't want to make the wrong tag problem even worse by opening to unreliable stations. You just proved it.

All communities rely on standards. You are going against the accepted ones here. Tag right man.

Esta bastante claro. No le busques cinco patas al gato, loco.

The stations here, all, play full songs. Only the previews are 30 secs. That isn't that weird or unusual. I mean the radio isn't affectd and plays proper songs. What's your point?

-G.

[quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] disse: No, but it shows precisely why we don't want to make the wrong tag problem even worse by opening to unreliable stations. You just proved it. All communities rely on standards. You are going against the accepted ones here. Tag right man. Esta bastante claro. No le busques cinco patas al gato, loco. The stations here, all, play full songs. Only the previews are 30 secs. That isn't that weird or unusual. I mean the radio isn't affectd and plays proper songs. What's your point? -G.[quote]

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- theblackcircle disse...
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- Dez 8 2007, 2h10
please enable scrobbling streaming radio.
im using winamp and listen to XM Radio, its great.
i want to scrobble my online listens.
theres no point in saying staff dont agree.
we are the users, we trusted you, give us what we want.
NOW !!! plz :")

ps.
the latest version of winamp, has a brilliant feature that automatically guesses and creates tags for you.
its been very difficult before, i had loads of mp3, without any tags, and doing them manually was such a pain.

[quote][b][user]theblackcircle[/user][/b] disse: please enable scrobbling streaming radio. im using winamp and listen to XM Radio, its great. i want to scrobble my online listens. theres no point in saying staff dont agree. we are the users, we trusted you, give us what we want. NOW !!! plz :") ps. the latest version of winamp, has a brilliant feature that automatically guesses and creates tags for you. its been very difficult before, i had loads of mp3, without any tags, and doing them manually was such a pain. [quote]

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- bachterman disse...
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- Dez 11 2007, 1h48
theblackcircle said:
the latest version of winamp, has a brilliant feature that automatically guesses and creates tags for you.
its been very difficult before, i had loads of mp3, without any tags, and doing them manually was such a pain.

you shoulda tried softpointer's tag&rename. ;)

i'm not just an old fart! i'm THE old fart. ;)

[quote][b][user]bachterman[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]theblackcircle[/user][/b] said: the latest version of winamp, has a brilliant feature that automatically guesses and creates tags for you. its been very difficult before, i had loads of mp3, without any tags, and doing them manually was such a pain. [/quote] you shoulda tried softpointer's tag&rename. ;)[quote]

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- mjdunn disse...
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- Dez 13 2007, 17h02
Just thought I'd add my voice here and say that I'd love to have the option to scrobble internet radio if I so wished. I've recently started using the excellent PandoraFM and I'd say that I discovered at least as much new music through Pandora as I have from Last.fm's streams. Having the music I listen to on Pandora scrobbled (even if I don't like all of the tracks it plays) hasn't been detrimental to the quality of my Last.fm charts at all- quite the opposite in fact, I'm hearing new bands and genres I like left right and centre at the moment and they're all feeding in to my Last.fm recommendations.

I've also been listening to radio streams like WOXY and SomaFM recently, and I'd love for this music to be added to my Last.fm profile as well. If it's possible for Last.fm to do this then surely it could be added as an opt in/out feature?

[quote][b][user]mjdunn[/user][/b] disse: Just thought I'd add my voice here and say that I'd love to have the option to scrobble internet radio if I so wished. I've recently started using the excellent PandoraFM and I'd say that I discovered at least as much new music through Pandora as I have from Last.fm's streams. Having the music I listen to on Pandora scrobbled (even if I don't like all of the tracks it plays) hasn't been detrimental to the quality of my Last.fm charts at all- quite the opposite in fact, I'm hearing new bands and genres I like left right and centre at the moment and they're all feeding in to my Last.fm recommendations. I've also been listening to radio streams like WOXY and SomaFM recently, and I'd love for this music to be added to my Last.fm profile as well. If it's possible for Last.fm to do this then surely it could be added as an opt in/out feature?[quote]

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- josecharts disse...
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- Dez 13 2007, 22h16
IMO playing radio stations from LAST.FM is like playing online radios because i don't know what songs are going to be played and many of them i don't like or ignore so I wonder why that about not scrobbling online radios or fm radios with thir songs perfectly tagged on the net. Why refusing to do so, if many people like what their favourite radio programme for them.

[quote][b][user]josecharts[/user][/b] disse: IMO playing radio stations from LAST.FM is like playing online radios because i don't know what songs are going to be played and many of them i don't like or ignore so I wonder why that about not scrobbling online radios or fm radios with thir songs perfectly tagged on the net. Why refusing to do so, if many people like what their favourite radio programme for them.[quote]

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- josecharts disse...
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- Dez 13 2007, 22h18
The other day i recieve an email to buy a song for charity from an unknown band. And the mail claimed something about mainstream music like if it was bad, annoying or something... Do you last.fm have something against pop or popular songs that get its time of airplay on radios?

[quote][b][user]josecharts[/user][/b] disse: The other day i recieve an email to buy a song for charity from an unknown band. And the mail claimed something about mainstream music like if it was bad, annoying or something... Do you last.fm have something against pop or popular songs that get its time of airplay on radios? [quote]

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