Radio service's song randomization is very broken (most of the time)

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- Masakuni disse...
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- Abr 4 2008, 21h22
Radio service's song randomization is very broken (most of the time)

Note: This is a problem with the main radio, playing (x)'s Similar Artists, Tag Radio, or whatever. This has nothing to do with a custom playlist, though there is a possibility this problem may be related to the one about the playlists skipping songs. Or not, I don't know.

I'll try this again here, and explain it better too.

Alright, I turn on the Last.FM radio every day and things seem fine, but I've noticed something. I've noticed there's been full albums' worth of songs that I haven't even heard in about 2 months. I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence, because I could name a good number of albums which the last time I have heard most if not all of their songs is at the most 2 months ago. But I'll only list them at a request, as to not make this too tl;dr.

Sometimes though, some tracks from such albums will play, but after about a few or so songs, it'll go back to playing certain songs from certain albums and ignoring said tracks. It had previously though not done this so maybe it might be a sign of a fix sometime soon. But you can never be too sure really.

Summary: The radio's randomization of songs is broken to the point where it actually doesn't play whole albums worth of songs. It's actually been like this for a couple months now.

I know there are some problems that need to be addressed but I would like to know if the problem in question's going to be worked on or is being worked on or something. I just want to make sure, because well, I could assume it's the same problem as with the playlist, but I'm not exactly one to assume anything, either.

So yeah. That's all for now until I have some more to add.

Mwawr?

[quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] disse: [b]Note: This is a problem with the main radio, playing (x)'s Similar Artists, Tag Radio, or whatever. This has nothing to do with a custom playlist, though there is a possibility this problem may be related to the one about the playlists skipping songs. Or not, I don't know.[/b] I'll try this again here, and explain it better too. Alright, I turn on the Last.FM radio every day and things seem fine, but I've noticed something. I've noticed there's been full albums' worth of songs that I haven't even heard in about 2 months. I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence, because I could name a good number of albums which the last time I have heard most if not all of their songs is at the most 2 months ago. But I'll only list them at a request, as to not make this too tl;dr. Sometimes though, some tracks from such albums will play, but after about a few or so songs, it'll go back to playing certain songs from certain albums and ignoring said tracks. It had previously though not done this so maybe it might be a sign of a fix sometime soon. But you can never be too sure really. Summary: The radio's randomization of songs is broken to the point where it actually doesn't play whole albums worth of songs. It's actually been like this for a couple months now. I know there are some problems that need to be addressed but I would like to know if the problem in question's going to be worked on or is being worked on or something. I just want to make sure, because well, I could assume it's the same problem as with the playlist, but I'm not exactly one to assume anything, either. So yeah. That's all for now until I have some more to add.[quote]

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- latinonl disse...
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- Abr 5 2008, 14h39
Oh this is very common

Just play your own playlist and you will see that the same songs will be played over and over again.
When you log out and log in again the new songs are picked up, but suddenly all the songs in the top of your playlist will be ignored completely.

The only way to change that is to edit your playlist, and move songs up and down.
The best still is just play the songs on your computer, or at internet, with songs you have saved in your USB.

[quote][b][user]latinonl[/user][/b] disse: Just play your own playlist and you will see that the same songs will be played over and over again. When you log out and log in again the new songs are picked up, but suddenly all the songs in the top of your playlist will be ignored completely. The only way to change that is to edit your playlist, and move songs up and down. The best still is just play the songs on your computer, or at internet, with songs you have saved in your USB.[quote]

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- Masakuni disse...
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- Abr 7 2008, 21h52
Re: Oh this is very common

latinonl said:
Just play your own playlist and you will see that the same songs will be played over and over again.
When you log out and log in again the new songs are picked up, but suddenly all the songs in the top of your playlist will be ignored completely.

The only way to change that is to edit your playlist, and move songs up and down.
The best still is just play the songs on your computer, or at internet, with songs you have saved in your USB.

Yeah except I don't actually have a playlist (or at least what I think they call "playlist" here); if I could make myself a little clearer I listen to (x)'s Similar Artists when I use Last FM's radio service, it's really hard for me to want to hear a certain 100 or so songs every time. (the top of my post is bolded for a reason).

Also, I'd consider the USB option, except my music collection is almost nonexistant, hence why I use Last FM's radio service in the first place.

Mwawr?

[quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]latinonl[/user][/b] said: Just play your own playlist and you will see that the same songs will be played over and over again. When you log out and log in again the new songs are picked up, but suddenly all the songs in the top of your playlist will be ignored completely. The only way to change that is to edit your playlist, and move songs up and down. The best still is just play the songs on your computer, or at internet, with songs you have saved in your USB.[/quote] Yeah except I don't actually have a playlist (or at least what I think they call "playlist" here); if I could make myself a little clearer I listen to (x)'s Similar Artists when I use Last FM's radio service, it's really hard for me to want to hear a certain 100 or so songs every time. (the top of my post is bolded for a reason). Also, I'd consider the USB option, except my music collection is almost nonexistant, hence why I use Last FM's radio service in the first place.[quote]

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- samcwik disse...
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- Abr 8 2008, 22h45
Re: Oh this is very common

latinonl said:
Just play your own playlist and you will see that the same songs will be played over and over again.
When you log out and log in again the new songs are picked up, but suddenly all the songs in the top of your playlist will be ignored completely.

The only way to change that is to edit your playlist, and move songs up and down.
The best still is just play the songs on your computer, or at internet, with songs you have saved in your USB.

The problem with this is not everybody wants to make a playlist.

As a subscribing customer, I am promised a radio service and yet I do not recieve it. Nothing is randomized; I do not get what I am paying for.

(Neither do non-subscribers get what they are promised.)

The Radio "service" just doesn't do what it's supposed to, randomisation definitely needs to be sorted out.

And, Masakuni, it's been like this for almost a year, not just a few months.

If you think Sonic Youth is cool, and you think that they think that you're not that cool, does that mean everything to you?

[quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]latinonl[/user][/b] said: Just play your own playlist and you will see that the same songs will be played over and over again. When you log out and log in again the new songs are picked up, but suddenly all the songs in the top of your playlist will be ignored completely. The only way to change that is to edit your playlist, and move songs up and down. The best still is just play the songs on your computer, or at internet, with songs you have saved in your USB.[/quote] The problem with this is not everybody wants to make a playlist. As a subscribing customer, I am promised a [b]radio service[/b] and yet I do not recieve it. Nothing is randomized; I do not get what I am paying for. (Neither do non-subscribers get what they are promised.) The Radio "service" just doesn't do what it's supposed to, randomisation definitely needs to be sorted out. And, Masakuni, it's been like this for almost a year, not just a few months.[quote]

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- Masakuni disse...
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- Abr 10 2008, 21h23
Re: Re: Oh this is very common

samcwik said:
And, Masakuni, it's been like this for almost a year, not just a few months.

Well that's odd. I've been using the service (on this account) for almost a year now (since last June), and with all my artists, I think I have heard pretty much nearly all of the songs that are streamable by all my artists at least once. Or most of them, anyways. I can't really provide any hard proof of this but well, let's just say there's a lot of songs already on my charts if you look around a little. ^^;

So to be honest, I never really saw a problem until a couple months ago when certain tracks started to just not play at all.

Mwawr?

[quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] said: And, Masakuni, it's been like this for almost a year, not just a few months.[/quote] Well that's odd. I've been using the service (on this account) for almost a year now (since last June), and with all my artists, I think I have heard pretty much nearly all of the songs that are streamable by all my artists at least once. Or most of them, anyways. I can't really provide any hard proof of this but well, let's just say there's a lot of songs already on my charts if you look around a little. ^^; So to be honest, I never really saw a problem until a couple months ago when certain tracks started to just not play at all.[quote]

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- samcwik disse...
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- Abr 11 2008, 11h54
Well I've been here a few years. Radio used to work brilliantly. Artist A comes up, and it's always a random song. No repeats. Artist B comes up. Always a random song. Used to take ages for a song to repeat.

Around a year ago, the radio changed. Artist A comes up, and it's ALWAYS song A. Artists B comes up and it's ALWAYS Song B. Artits with many streamable tracks, and yet the randomization feature seems broke, as it keeps repeating the same tracks OVER AND OVER.

Proof is there when you play your radio twice in two days. Just notice, around 60% of the artists have this problem. It's always a certain song of theirs that will play, and no other.

If you think Sonic Youth is cool, and you think that they think that you're not that cool, does that mean everything to you?

[quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] disse: Well I've been here a few years. Radio used to work brilliantly. Artist A comes up, and it's always a random song. No repeats. Artist B comes up. Always a random song. Used to take ages for a song to repeat. Around a year ago, the radio changed. Artist A comes up, and it's ALWAYS song A. Artists B comes up and it's ALWAYS Song B. Artits with many streamable tracks, and yet the randomization feature seems broke, as it keeps repeating the same tracks OVER AND OVER. Proof is there when you play your radio twice in two days. Just notice, around 60% of the artists have this problem. It's always a certain song of theirs that will play, and no other.[quote]

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- Masakuni disse...
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- Abr 13 2008, 19h33
samcwik said:
Well I've been here a few years. Radio used to work brilliantly. Artist A comes up, and it's always a random song. No repeats. Artist B comes up. Always a random song. Used to take ages for a song to repeat.

Around a year ago, the radio changed. Artist A comes up, and it's ALWAYS song A. Artists B comes up and it's ALWAYS Song B. Artits with many streamable tracks, and yet the randomization feature seems broke, as it keeps repeating the same tracks OVER AND OVER.

Proof is there when you play your radio twice in two days. Just notice, around 60% of the artists have this problem. It's always a certain song of theirs that will play, and no other.

Hrmm...well, ok then. But, I don't seem to be getting that problem however.

When I play the radio there'd be a different song for each artist, and there still is. However, it's like this.

Up until 2 months ago, there were a bunch of streamable albums and there was at least a chance that each one would play. Like, say, artist A had 5 streamable albums, and songs were being played out of all of them. However, for some reason let's say, 3 of those albums stopped having their songs come up, and the radio will only play songs from these 2 albums.

It's a lesser problem for me, but still an annoying one in my eyes. Not discrediting your problem or anything, but there still are different songs per artist on mine, just a more limited selection of them than there should, especially since it's omitting streamable songs, too.

Mwawr?

[quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] said: Well I've been here a few years. Radio used to work brilliantly. Artist A comes up, and it's always a random song. No repeats. Artist B comes up. Always a random song. Used to take ages for a song to repeat. Around a year ago, the radio changed. Artist A comes up, and it's ALWAYS song A. Artists B comes up and it's ALWAYS Song B. Artits with many streamable tracks, and yet the randomization feature seems broke, as it keeps repeating the same tracks OVER AND OVER. Proof is there when you play your radio twice in two days. Just notice, around 60% of the artists have this problem. It's always a certain song of theirs that will play, and no other.[/quote] Hrmm...well, ok then. But, I don't seem to be getting that problem however. When I play the radio there'd be a different song for each artist, and there still is. However, it's like this. Up until 2 months ago, there were a bunch of streamable albums and there was at least a chance that each one would play. Like, say, artist A had 5 streamable albums, and songs were being played out of all of them. However, for some reason let's say, 3 of those albums stopped having their songs come up, and the radio will only play songs from these 2 albums. It's a lesser problem for me, but still an annoying one in my eyes. Not discrediting your problem or anything, but there still are different songs per artist on mine, just a more limited selection of them than there should, especially since it's omitting streamable songs, too.[quote]

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- Masakuni disse...
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- Abr 14 2008, 21h10
Back onto the problem at hand.

Seriously. How can this go 2 and a half months without getting a fix or at least a proper answer? Knowing that a noticeable number of songs won't play, whether it's on a playlist, tag radio, or similar artists radio, could very well turn off potential listeners from this site. It also makes the charts (in terms of what albums are most listened to) very uneven in a sense.

And what am I supposed to do to get a real answer here? Because at this rate, it may be weeks or even months before I see even an answer or a fix. Is it too much to ask for an answer of some sorts?

Side note: I don't really know 100% for sure if the problem with similar artists or tag radio I'm describing is directly linked to the playlist problem that's been going around or I wouldn't have made this topic in the first place. If it is, I apologize for pushing this ever so much in advance, and you should slap me with a fish or something. XP If not, well, still give an explanation.

Mwawr?

[quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] disse: Back onto the problem at hand. Seriously. How can this go 2 and a half months without getting a fix or at least a proper answer? Knowing that a noticeable number of songs won't play, whether it's on a playlist, tag radio, or similar artists radio, could very well turn off potential listeners from this site. It also makes the charts (in terms of what albums are most listened to) very uneven in a sense. And what am I supposed to do to get a real answer here? Because at this rate, it may be weeks or even months before I see even an answer or a fix. Is it too much to ask for an answer of some sorts? Side note: I don't really know 100% for sure if the problem with similar artists or tag radio I'm describing is directly linked to the playlist problem that's been going around or I wouldn't have made this topic in the first place. If it is, I apologize for pushing this ever so much in advance, and you should slap me with a fish or something. XP If not, well, still give an explanation.[quote]

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- filtrum disse...
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- Abr 15 2008, 17h36
Since yesterday playlists have been working properly again, so maybe this randomization problem is also fixed, but it should take some time to check that.

[quote][b][user]filtrum[/user][/b] disse: Since yesterday playlists have been working properly again, so maybe this randomization problem is also fixed, but it should take some time to check that.[quote]

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- samcwik disse...
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- Abr 15 2008, 23h59
filtrum said:
Since yesterday playlists have been working properly again, so maybe this randomization problem is also fixed, but it should take some time to check that.

The problem with the playlists is/was a temporary problem which came and went.

Song randomization has always been broken, and I've accepted will never be fixed. I just wonder why...

If you think Sonic Youth is cool, and you think that they think that you're not that cool, does that mean everything to you?

[quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]filtrum[/user][/b] said: Since yesterday playlists have been working properly again, so maybe this randomization problem is also fixed, but it should take some time to check that.[/quote] The problem with the playlists is/was a temporary problem which came and went. Song randomization has always been broken, and I've accepted [b]will never[/b] be fixed. I just wonder why...[quote]

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- samcwik disse...
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- Abr 16 2008, 0h04
Re: Radio service's song randomization is very broken (most of the time)

Masakuni said:
Summary: The radio's randomization of songs is broken to the point where it actually doesn't play whole albums worth of songs.

Even though we seem to have different problems, perhaps they stem from the same underlying factor.

If what you're saying here is true, it could also be the reason for seemingly half my artists to be stuck playing the same song over and over each time, because, as you put it "whole albums worth of songs" won't play.

And, I don't know how you can get an answer. I've started many threads and always been given answers from mods and staff. Except for when I start a thread to do with this problem, it is always ignored. I think probably because it's something they can't/won't fix, as the radios are totally screwed up.

If you think Sonic Youth is cool, and you think that they think that you're not that cool, does that mean everything to you?

[quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] said: [b]Summary: The radio's randomization of songs is broken to the point where it actually doesn't play whole albums worth of songs.[/quote] Even though we seem to have different problems, perhaps they stem from the same underlying factor. If what you're saying here is true, it could also be the reason for seemingly half my artists to be stuck playing the same song over and over each time, because, as you put it "whole albums worth of songs" won't play. And, I don't know how you can get an answer. I've started many threads and always been given answers from mods and staff. Except for when I start a thread to do with this problem, it is always ignored. I think probably because it's something they can't/won't fix, as the radios are totally screwed up. [quote]

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- hickorywind disse...
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- Abr 16 2008, 4h51
Yeah, the randomization is pretty bad, as stated above. I've played the global tag "post-punk" radio the last three days, and it played virtually the same songs by the same artists each day. And as samcwik stated, these are artists who have many streamable songs. Each day, without fail, I heard New Order-Truth, Pere Ubu-Final Solution, The Smiths-This Charming Man, etc. Now, I enjoy these songs, but please don't play them every day. Today, I had to skip the first 15 songs or so to hear something new.

I've stopped flagging any tracks as "loved" just to see if it made a difference, but it hasn't. This isn't a huge deal, but there a ton of different bands to choose from. I shouldn't have to skip a bunch of tracks just to hear a "fresh" artist.

[quote][b][user]hickorywind[/user][/b] disse: Yeah, the randomization is pretty bad, as stated above. I've played the global tag "post-punk" radio the last three days, and it played virtually the same songs by the same artists each day. And as samcwik stated, these are artists who have many streamable songs. Each day, without fail, I heard New Order-Truth, Pere Ubu-Final Solution, The Smiths-This Charming Man, etc. Now, I enjoy these songs, but please don't play them every day. Today, I had to skip the first 15 songs or so to hear something new. I've stopped flagging any tracks as "loved" just to see if it made a difference, but it hasn't. This isn't a huge deal, but there a ton of different bands to choose from. I shouldn't have to skip a bunch of tracks just to hear a "fresh" artist.[quote]

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- Masakuni disse...
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- Abr 17 2008, 23h46
To be fair, I'll say that it has been doing better, at least the last few mornings at least. I've been hearing some tracks I hadn't heard in a while, too. Though, problem is it's been only happening in the morning, too. Later in the day it just simply reverts back to what's it's been doing those past couple of months.

I've never really had the problem of any one particular song playing with any artist, though. However, it's like, a particular artist has 3 albums. Let's call them albums A, B, and C. All 3 of the albums have all of their tracks as streamable. However, no matter what radio option you choose, there's not one song from albums A or B that comes up. However, it's always one of the, let's say, 11 tracks from album C that comes up. Either one of them has an equal chance to be the track played when it's that certain artist's turn to be played. Not the songs from albums A or B, however.

Back to my first point. It's been doing better so far, but only in the morning, however, and some little bits later into the day. I still would like to see the thing get fixed fully, however.

Mwawr?

[quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] disse: To be fair, I'll say that it has been doing better, at least the last few mornings at least. I've been hearing some tracks I hadn't heard in a while, too. Though, problem is it's been only happening in the morning, too. Later in the day it just simply reverts back to what's it's been doing those past couple of months. I've never really had the problem of any one particular song playing with any artist, though. However, it's like, a particular artist has 3 albums. Let's call them albums A, B, and C. All 3 of the albums have all of their tracks as streamable. However, no matter what radio option you choose, there's not one song from albums A or B that comes up. However, it's always one of the, let's say, 11 tracks from album C that comes up. Either one of them has an equal chance to be the track played when it's that certain artist's turn to be played. Not the songs from albums A or B, however. Back to my first point. It's been doing better so far, but only in the morning, however, and some little bits later into the day. I still would like to see the thing get fixed fully, however.[quote]

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- Masakuni disse...
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- Abr 21 2008, 19h51
Still waiting for either a fix or some answers, though with you guys recovering from the power outage, I'd be asking a bit much for a fix right at this moment.

Mwawr?

[quote][b][user]Masakuni[/user][/b] disse: Still waiting for either a fix or some answers, though with you guys recovering from the power outage, I'd be asking a bit much for a fix right at this moment.[quote]

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- uporo disse...
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- Abr 24 2008, 12h03
I have same problem while playing tag radio containing tagged albums only. I have tagged 435 albums on albums that i should check out, and radio is sometimes playing same fev albums over and over again. And sometimes one album gets played 10 times in a row.

[quote][b][user]uporo[/user][/b] disse: I have same problem while playing tag radio containing tagged albums only. I have tagged 435 albums on albums that i should check out, and radio is sometimes playing same fev albums over and over again. And sometimes one album gets played 10 times in a row.[quote]

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- filtrum disse...
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- Abr 27 2008, 8h54
It's getting worse and worse. When I play My Recommendations Radio it's always music from the same 20 albums now, and I'm receiving recommendations from 13 groups! What's the point in having the largest "library of streamable music" if only some tracks actually play on the radio?
Playlists were working properly for a couple of days and now are broken again.
When you play a streamable artist's radio you may not hear this artist at all now!

[quote][b][user]filtrum[/user][/b] disse: It's getting worse and worse. When I play My Recommendations Radio it's always music from the same 20 albums now, and I'm receiving recommendations from 13 groups! What's the point in having the largest "library of streamable music" if only some tracks actually play on the radio? Playlists were working properly for a couple of days and now are broken again. When you play a [b]streamable artist[/b]'s radio you may not hear this artist at all now! [quote]

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- clemepod disse...
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- Abr 27 2008, 20h48
Cold Hard Facts

The song choice is clearly not random and never has been. It's not even advertised as being random. I'll tolerate it until something better comes along...

[quote][b][user]clemepod[/user][/b] disse: The song choice is clearly not random and never has been. It's not even [i]advertised[/i] as being random. I'll tolerate it until something better comes along...[quote]

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- asbjornu disse...
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- Mai 2 2008, 11h17
samcwik said:
Around a year ago, the radio changed. Artist A comes up, and it's ALWAYS song A. Artists B comes up and it's ALWAYS Song B. Artits with many streamable tracks, and yet the randomization feature seems broke, as it keeps repeating the same tracks OVER AND OVER.

Proof is there when you play your radio twice in two days. Just notice, around 60% of the artists have this problem. It's always a certain song of theirs that will play, and no other.
Yep, as I mention here, this is the exact same problem I'm having, even with My Radio Station. I know there are heaps of songs from the given artists in Last.fm's database that I'd like to hear, yet Last.fm never plays them. It's extremely frustrating!

The only song by David Bowie Last.fm has ever played is Ziggy Stardust. The only song by Ugress; Makina Fifth. The only song by Keane; This Is The Last Time. The only song by John Mayall; Mail Order Mystics. The only song by Dom & Roland; Can't Punish Me. Last.fm has lots of songs by these artists, yet these are the only ones it plays. Please improve the randomization algorithm!

I have a suggestion for an algorithm that works. Make the playlist two queues. One contains items that the radio is going to play (A), the other items that have been played (B). The A list don't really need to contain more than two-three items. When a song (S) is played, do:

1. Pop S from A.
2. Push S to B.
3. If the number of songs in B is above a given limit (say 1000 songs), pop the last song in B.
4. Find a new song S2 to push to A.
5. If S2 exists within B, repeat step 4.

What's weird is that Last.fm already has the most important part of this algorithm, namely B; the "Recently Played" list. What it seems to lack is A and step 4 and 5 above. What it seems to be doing is pseudo randomly selecting a song every time a new one is needed, without any thought to what has already been played. Although that might be a mathematically sound random algorithm, it doesn't matter. I know Winamp suffers from the same problem. What I (and the others in this thread) want is randomization with respect to what's already been played.

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[quote][b][user]asbjornu[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] said: Around a year ago, the radio changed. Artist A comes up, and it's ALWAYS song A. Artists B comes up and it's ALWAYS Song B. Artits with many streamable tracks, and yet the randomization feature seems broke, as it keeps repeating the same tracks OVER AND OVER. Proof is there when you play your radio twice in two days. Just notice, around 60% of the artists have this problem. It's always a certain song of theirs that will play, and no other.[/quote] Yep, as I mention [url=/forum/21713/_/405233/1]here[/url], this is the [b]exact[/b] same problem I'm having, even with [i]My Radio Station[/i]. I know there are heaps of songs from the given artists in Last.fm's database that I'd like to hear, yet Last.fm [b]never[/b] plays them. It's extremely frustrating! The only song by [artist]David Bowie[/artist] Last.fm has ever played is [track artist=David Bowie]Ziggy Stardust[/track]. The only song by [artist]Ugress[/artist]; [track artist=Ugress]Makina Fifth[/track]. The only song by [artist]Keane[/artist]; [track artist=Keane]This is the Last Time[/track]. The only song by [artist]John Mayall[/artist]; [track artist=John Mayall]Mail Order Mystics[/track]. The only song by [artist]Dom & Roland[/artist]; [track artist=Dom & Roland]Can't Punish Me[/track]. Last.fm has lots of songs by these artists, yet these are the only ones it plays. Please improve the randomization algorithm! I have a suggestion for an algorithm that works. Make the playlist two queues. One contains items that the radio is going to play ([i]A[/i]), the other items that have been played ([i]B[/i]). The [i]A[/i] list don't really need to contain more than two-three items. When a song ([i]S[/i]) is played, do: 1. Pop [i]S[/i] from [i]A[/i]. 2. Push [i]S[/i] to [i]B[/i]. 3. If the number of songs in [i]B[/i] is above a given limit (say 1000 songs), pop the last song in [i]B[/i]. 4. Find a new song [i]S2[/i] to push to [i]A[/i]. 5. If [i]S2[/i] exists within [i]B[/i], repeat step 4. What's weird is that Last.fm already has the most important part of this algorithm, namely [i]B[/i]; the "Recently Played" list. What it seems to lack is [i]A[/i] and step 4 and 5 above. What it seems to be doing is pseudo randomly selecting a song every time a new one is needed, without any thought to what has already been played. Although that might be a mathematically sound random algorithm, it doesn't matter. I know Winamp suffers from the same problem. What I (and the others in this thread) want is randomization with respect to what's already been played.[quote]

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samcwik said:
filtrum said:
Since yesterday playlists have been working properly again, so maybe this randomization problem is also fixed, but it should take some time to check that.

The problem with the playlists is/was a temporary problem which came and went.

Song randomization has always been broken, and I've accepted will never be fixed. I just wonder why...

The playlist issue is still persisting. I have a good # of songs in my playlist which are either full tracks or at least streamable and yet never play. I'm really curious about the underlying reason for the playlist problem.

And definitely there is a problem with randomization, which actually has not always been there. I either listen to my frineds and neighbours radios or my tag radio, and with certain artists only one song plays, althugh they seem to have more than one song available.

I'm also eagerly waiting for a reply from the staff to this thread.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]samcwik[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]filtrum[/user][/b] said: Since yesterday playlists have been working properly again, so maybe this randomization problem is also fixed, but it should take some time to check that.[/quote] The problem with the playlists is/was a temporary problem which came and went. Song randomization has always been broken, and I've accepted [b]will never[/b] be fixed. I just wonder why...[/quote] The playlist issue is still persisting. I have a good # of songs in my playlist which are either full tracks or at least streamable and yet never play. I'm really curious about the underlying reason for the playlist problem. And definitely there is a problem with randomization, which actually has not always been there. I either listen to my frineds and neighbours radios or my tag radio, and with certain artists only one song plays, althugh they seem to have more than one song available. I'm also eagerly waiting for a reply from the staff to this thread. [quote]

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Staff, please don´t ingore us. I just bought a 12 months subscriber status, and i would like to see this fixed before that ends. Otherwise it was kind of wasted money, since i bought it because of personal tag radios, track taggin is working fine for me, but problem exists with tagging albums. And i like to use this as well.

[quote][b][user]uporo[/user][/b] disse: Staff, please don´t ingore us. I just bought a 12 months subscriber status, and i would like to see this fixed before that ends. Otherwise it was kind of wasted money, since i bought it because of personal tag radios, track taggin is working fine for me, but problem exists with tagging albums. And i like to use this as well.[quote]

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- achterstevoren disse...
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[quote][b][user]achterstevoren[/user][/b] disse: [quote]
Editado por achterstevoren em Abr 28 2009, 22h24

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achterstevoren said:
now ( saturday evening) radio seems to be working normal again. Huh? Cool! i Must try this...Playing my album tags now...

ok, i´ve finished now. Something i did not noticed before.
There were some albums playing many times but all of them were compilations from various artists... and now when i think about it. Not really a problem since i don´t have to listen to same artist twice.

Edit: Yep, everything is working perfectly.

[quote][b][user]uporo[/user][/b] disse: [quote][b][user]achterstevoren[/user][/b] said: now ( saturday evening) radio seems to be working normal again.[/i][/quote] Huh? Cool! i Must try this...Playing my album tags now... ok, i´ve finished now. Something i did not noticed before. There were some albums playing many times but all of them were compilations from various artists... and now when i think about it. Not really a problem since i don´t have to listen to same artist twice. Edit: Yep, everything is working perfectly. [quote]

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- asbjornu disse...
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- Mai 5 2008, 11h30
Seems to work better now

I'm now listening to My Iron Lung (on My Radio Station) which have never been played on Last.fm before, so I'm hoping things have improved and that the song selection is less monotone than it used to be.

«He's a loathsome offensive brute, yet I can't look away»

[quote][b][user]asbjornu[/user][/b] disse: I'm now listening to [track artist=Radiohead]My Iron Lung[/track] (on [i]My Radio Station[/i]) which have never been played on Last.fm before, so I'm hoping things have improved and that the song selection is less monotone than it used to be.[quote]

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I don't know if I'm the only person who's still experiencing it but this problem isn't definitely solved (at least for me). When I listen to my tag radio (I tag the artists, not the individual songs or artists) only a certain track of some of the artists play, ALTHOUGH the band/artist seems to have definitely more than one track streamable. I can even give examples. For instance for a long time my tag radio has only played: Strange & beautiful (I'll put a spell on you) from Aqualung, Dig, lazarus, dig from Nick Cave & BS, A certain remix of refugee from Oi Va Voi, Love You (bonus track) from Lou Rhodes and so on.

I really would like to get a solid answer from the staff, considering I actually paid for being able to listen to my tag radio.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] disse: I don't know if I'm the only person who's still experiencing it but this problem isn't definitely solved (at least for me). When I listen to my tag radio (I tag the artists, not the individual songs or artists) only a certain track of some of the artists play, ALTHOUGH the band/artist seems to have definitely more than one track streamable. I can even give examples. For instance for a long time my tag radio has only played: Strange & beautiful (I'll put a spell on you) from Aqualung, Dig, lazarus, dig from Nick Cave & BS, A certain remix of refugee from Oi Va Voi, Love You (bonus track) from Lou Rhodes and so on. I really would like to get a solid answer from the staff, considering I actually paid for being able to listen to my tag radio.[quote]

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- steverhiggs disse...
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- Mai 13 2008, 16h28
The radio service is far from great and certainly could never claim to be random.

A contribution to this thread from a moderator or member of lastfm staff is very noticeable by it's absence.

[quote][b][user]steverhiggs[/user][/b] disse: The radio service is far from great and certainly could never claim to be random. A contribution to this thread from a moderator or member of lastfm staff is very noticeable by it's absence.[quote]

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